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Bhakti or Vedanta? Ramakrishna's Gospel and the Crocodile Test

Vedanta Society of Southern California
Vedanta Society of Southern California
Nov 5, 2026
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出典:Vedanta Society of Southern California

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On a cold January morning in 1883, at the Dakshineswar temple garden outside Calcutta, a teacher sits on a mat in his room, a warm wrap around his shoulders, and talks with a visitor who knows the scriptures well. That visitor, Pran Krishna, is a senior government official who has studied the Vedanta and is fond of saying that Brahman alone is real and the world illusory. In a reading recorded for the Vedanta Society of Southern California, Swami Sarvadevananda returns to this scene from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, the record of the teacher's conversations with disciples, householders and visitors kept by Mahendranath Gupta, who wrote under the pseudonym “M.” The passage sets up a problem every serious student eventually meets. If the goal is to know yourself as the unchanging Atman, why would Ramakrishna tell such a man that devotion, bhakti, is the best path for this age? Sarvadevananda’s answer is that the two paths meet at the same destination, and that the real question is which one a particular person, in a particular time, can actually walk.

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What happens in the room at Dakshineswar that morning?

Sarvadevananda asks his listeners to picture the scene almost as a painter would: the mat on the floor, the cold day, the teacher wrapped against it, the disciple Rakhal present, and Pran Krishna seated in front of him. The reading notes that Pran Krishna had no children from his first wife and, with her permission, married a second time, and that the teacher had a habit of teasing him by calling him “the fat Brahmin.” The detail matters. The room holds a man who speaks the language of pure philosophy with real fluency, and the teacher who responds to him is not interested in winning the argument on its terms.

Sarvadevananda reads the teacher’s counsel carefully. In the Kali Yuga, the present dark age in Hindu cosmology, a person’s life depends on food, meaning the bare material conditions of survival. The path of devotion prescribed by Narada, the sage associated with bhakti, is the best fit. Sarvadevananda pauses on this line, because it sounds like a direct contradiction of the Vedanta that Pran Krishna is practicing, and he says so openly. He asks the room how one reconciles them. The question is not rhetorical; he invites answers, takes a tentative one from a listener who admits the tension is still alive in their own mind, and then makes his own case.

Why does a basket of jalebi lead to a lesson on immortality?

The passage that frames the day is lighter than the philosophy. A devotee has brought a basket of jalebi, the fried, syrup-soaked sweet that appears at puja time, and the teacher keeps it by his side and eats a little. Sarvadevananda reports the teacher’s joke as M. recorded it. The teacher tells Pran Krishna with a smile that because he chants the name of the Divine Mother, he gets all these good things to eat. Then he adds that she does not give him fruits like gourd or pumpkin. She gives him the fruit of amrita, immortality, which means knowledge, love, discrimination and renunciation.

Sarvadevananda treats this as lila, the divine play, and the reading is written so the humor is part of the teaching, not a break from it. The sweets are ordinary and delicious; the grace they stand for is not ordinary at all. Sarvadevananda even recalls that the jalebi was a childhood favorite of the teacher in his village, and that the shop associated with the family is still known. The lesson is one of proportion. Devotion does not reject the world’s pleasures; it changes what a person reaches for when the basket is passed around.

Is Ramakrishna contradicting the Vedanta he teaches?

This is where the reading does its real work. Sarvadevananda names the apparent contradiction directly: the teacher says the way of knowledge is not the right fit for this age, while the great preachers of Vedanta, including Swami Vivekananda, spent their lives proclaiming the Self. Sarvadevananda’s response is blunt.

“No, it is not contradictory.” — Swami Sarvadevananda, in this reading of The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna

His reasoning rests on a plain observation about ordinary minds. Identification with the body is the default condition. A person who says “I am Atman, I am Brahman” may still find the body upset by a remark, or the mind thrown into agitation by a small slight. Saying the words and living them are separate achievements, and the teacher’s counsel is addressed to the gap between them. Sarvadevananda suggests that the realistic posture for most people is not “I am beyond all this” but something humbler: “Yes, I know that, but I am your servant. Oh Lord, please help me.” He is careful to say the teacher’s words are chosen precisely. The way of Narada is “most suited” to this age, not merely permitted.

What does the crocodile story teach about being fit for the path?

To make the point vivid, Sarvadevananda tells the story of Swami Turiyananda, who from childhood had held that he was the Atman and not the body. One day, while bathing in the water, he saw a crocodile approaching and ran for the bank. Only after he reached safety did he recall his own teaching, and so he went back into the water. Sarvadevananda’s reading of the episode is that the mistake was not the flight. The fear was real, and the body responded to it. What matters is that Turiyananda returned, understanding the body’s reaction as a reaction, not as his identity. Sarvadevananda calls this the mark of a candidate who is fit for Vedanta, and he asks the room what courage it takes to go back into the water once a crocodile has shown its face.

The story is a useful key to the whole passage. Knowledge-based practice asks a person to stand inside the discrimination between Self and body even when the body is frightened. Sarvadevananda is not dismissing that discipline. He is pointing out that it demands a steadiness most people do not yet have, and that a practitioner who keeps failing the test may do better with a path built on surrender and love.

Why does the age matter so much?

Sarvadevananda’s answer to the question of time is sociological as well as spiritual. He describes an earlier world in which people lived on agriculture and simple food, with more hours left over to contemplate the nature of things. Modern life, by contrast, consumes most of the day in earning a living, commuting, and managing political and social pressures. He observes that the teacher said something similar elsewhere, and he connects the observation to the Kali Yuga framework. The point is practical: a method has to fit the energy and attention a person actually has. A path requiring long stretches of undistracted inquiry may be unrealistic for someone whose days are already exhausted.

This is why the reading frames bhakti not as a lesser route but as a more accessible one. The approach asks a person to offer the whole of their life, including their failures, to a higher reality, rather than to first achieve a settled mind before the offering begins.

What does it mean that the ego dies in bhakti?

Sarvadevananda is precise about the endpoint. He says the ultimate state is the same whichever path one takes, and he defines the devotion in question as supreme love rather than the ordinary emotional religiosity many readers imagine.

“The bhakta’s ego dies. And the Brahma-gyani, this idea of I, the body, is totally gone. It becomes Brahman. So ultimate state is same.” — Swami Sarvadevananda, in this reading

The implication is that devotion and knowledge are two directions converging on one point. The knower dissolves the sense of “I” through discrimination; the devotee dissolves it through a love so complete that the self no longer stands at the center. For the teacher’s audience, the reading suggests, the second route is often the one a human being can actually complete.

Where to go from here

This passage repays slow reading. Start with the scene itself and let the cold room, the mat and the sweets do their work before the philosophy arrives. Then take up the contradiction Sarvadevananda raises and sit with it honestly, the way the listener in the reading admits the tension lives in their own mind. Finally, read the Turiyananda story as a test of your own response to fear and to failure. The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, as M. recorded it, contains many such exchanges, and the teacher’s ability to meet each listener where they stand is the thread that connects them all.

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[0:00] Bhuvi viri-tam kalmasha-paham

[0:04] shravana-mangalam

[0:07] shri mad-atatam

[0:10] bhuvi grinanti ye bhuri-da janaha

[0:15] Om shanti shanti shantihi

[0:20] Oh lord

[0:22] your gospel is like nectar and bliss

[0:25] showered upon the pain stricken lives

[0:28] of suffering humanity.

[0:31] It dispels all sins and misdeeds

[0:35] brings spiritual welfare to life.

[0:39] Spiritual beauty, prosperity and grace

[0:42] flow through those

[0:44] who listen to your holy message.

[0:48] Truly generous are those

[0:50] who preach and share the nectar of your

[0:53] message

[0:54] with suffering humanity.

[0:56] Om peace peace peace.

[1:02] So

[1:04] we are in page 74

[1:07] where where did he have oh we ended

[1:10] the reading of the

[1:12] that master and Vijay Goswami

[1:16] but

[1:17] it is also Vijay continues

[1:19] this discussion continues tells we will

[1:22] read today we will read

[1:24] from the gospel which is on

[1:27] this January 1st 1883 Monday.

[1:32] Uh January 1st

[1:37] So here

[1:38] description goes

[1:40] at 8:00 in the morning

[1:43] Sri Ramakrishna was seated on a mat

[1:47] spread on the floor of his room

[1:50] at Dakshineswar.

[1:53] Since it was a cold day

[1:57] he had wrapped his body

[1:59] in his modest skin

[2:01] shall

[2:03] Prana Krishna

[2:04] and him

[2:06] were seated in front of him.

[2:09] Rakhal too was in the room.

[2:12] Prana Krishna

[2:14] was a high government official

[2:17] and lived in Calcutta.

[2:20] Since he had had no

[2:22] children or offspring for his first wife

[2:26] with the permission

[2:27] he had married a second time.

[2:30] By the second wife he had a son.

[2:33] Because he was rather stout the master

[2:36] had dressed

[2:38] him

[2:39] now and then as the fat Brahmin.

[2:44] He had great respect for Sri

[2:45] Ramakrishna.

[2:48] Though a householder

[2:51] Prana Krishna studied the Vedanta

[2:54] and had been heard to say Brahman alone

[2:57] is real

[2:59] and the world illusory. I am he.

[3:04] The master used to say to him

[3:06] >> [clears throat]

[3:08] >> in the Kali Yuga

[3:09] the life of a man

[3:11] depends on food.

[3:13] The path of devotion prescribed by

[3:16] Narada

[3:17] is the best for this age.

[3:22] A devotee had brought a basket of

[3:24] jalebi.

[3:25] Jalebi you know?

[3:27] The round circular

[3:30] you when you know specially at puja time

[3:33] someone brings some

[3:35] very sweet it is.

[3:37] It's fried in the syrup. If my

[3:41] It's fried in the ghee and then put into

[3:43] the syrup.

[3:45] And then

[3:46] soaked into it.

[3:47] So it is heavy

[3:49] and good taste.

[3:51] Ramakrishna liked that because in the

[3:52] village

[3:54] that type of sweets are very common.

[3:58] And there is a shop.

[4:00] That shopkeeper is now

[4:02] a rich

[4:04] He says Ramakrishna used to

[4:06] have this jalebi from my

[4:08] parents' house.

[4:10] Their business

[4:13] the jalebi makers.

[4:15] If you go

[4:16] to Kamarpukur, don't miss that shop.

[4:20] And there it is written, Ramakrishna

[4:23] in the childhood days used to have this

[4:25] jalebi from here.

[4:31] A devotee had brought a basket of jalebi

[4:34] for for the master

[4:36] which the latter kept by his side.

[4:39] Eating a bit of the sweets

[4:42] he said to Pran Krishna with a smile,

[4:45] "You see, I chant the name of the divine

[4:47] mother, so I get all these good things

[4:50] to eat."

[4:51] And laughter.

[4:53] "But she does not give me such fruits

[4:56] as gourd or pumpkin. She bestows the

[4:59] fruit of amrita, immortality.

[5:03] That means knowledge, love,

[5:05] discrimination, renunciation, and so

[5:08] forth."

[5:10] So this is a very beautiful description.

[5:13] And we can imagine this is called lila.

[5:17] Lila chintam, huh? The divine's

[5:21] play. Divine sport.

[5:24] So you can just go to Dakshineswar

[5:26] mentally

[5:27] and see that there is a mat in the

[5:29] floor.

[5:31] And Ramakrishna is sitting there. It is

[5:33] a cold day, so putting some wrapper

[5:37] moleskin wrapper.

[5:39] And you are sitting and near there was a

[5:41] deity Pran Krishna

[5:44] and Rakhal.

[5:46] They were sitting in front of him.

[5:48] And then Pran Krishna is called the fat

[5:51] Brahmin.

[5:52] And he was little heavy in structure.

[5:56] And see, though he was a householder,

[5:59] but he was talking all this, "I am

[6:01] Brahman. I am Atman. I am not the body,

[6:03] not this."

[6:05] And Sri Ramakrishna used to

[6:08] pointing out to him, used to say to him

[6:11] that in this Kali Yuga

[6:13] a man depends on food.

[6:17] The path of devotion prescribed by

[6:19] Narada is best for this age. People get

[6:22] confused here. Sometimes we get the

[6:25] question.

[6:26] You know, then we are preaching Vedanta,

[6:28] no?

[6:30] And Ramakrishna says bhakti is the way.

[6:33] So, is it is it is it not contradiction?

[6:38] What? What will be the response?

[6:41] Bolo. Say.

[6:43] Huh?

[6:45] Swami Vivekananda

[6:47] he said, "I don't say I did not say

[6:49] anything

[6:50] but Ramakrishna, no?"

[6:54] And here you see, he's talking about

[6:57] that Jnana path

[7:00] is not for the

[7:02] this not for the is very suitable.

[7:04] But he is doing I am Atman, I am

[7:06] Brahman.

[7:08] And I am not the body, but Ramakrishna

[7:10] said

[7:12] that no, bhakti is better for best

[7:15] suited in this age.

[7:18] So, what is the how how to reconcile

[7:20] this

[7:21] contradiction?

[7:24] Who will tell? Please come up.

[7:31] That you can say one way.

[7:34] And that may be more intellectually

[7:38] advanced or intellectually mm

[7:41] leaning on intellect.

[7:43] And but it is not further I think

[7:47] something more is there.

[7:51] Uh

[7:52] Anything

[7:53] comes to your mind?

[7:56] No reconciliation?

[7:59] >> No, I think there is, but it's it's a

[8:00] tension in my own mind, actually.

[8:03] >> Uh

[8:04] >> Can you hear?

[8:04] >> That's all.

[8:05] >> Yeah.

[8:06] >> So, you?

[8:07] Martyrdom.

[8:09] Okay.

[8:11] >> [laughter]

[8:15] >> Or or is it not contradictory?

[8:18] Ramakrishna is contradicting with

[8:21] Narendra Vivekananda, no? Vivekananda

[8:23] says "Gyan yoga" and he preached in this

[8:25] country all the Gyan and knowledge and

[8:28] Brahman is alone. Day and night say "I

[8:30] am Atman. I am Atman."

[8:32] Huh?

[8:33] And more emphasis on Vedanta.

[8:36] And he's the he's the real

[8:39] representative of Sri Ramakrishna, no?

[8:42] So, is it contradictory? So, you have to

[8:44] reconcile and understand that. No, it is

[8:47] not

[8:48] contradictory. Bhagavad Gita also

[8:50] suggest

[8:51] that

[8:52] the Vedanta is the highest. That is the

[8:55] truth.

[8:57] But dehavadbhih abhavapatih yo yo have

[8:59] the body consciousness

[9:02] uh in one sense I am totally

[9:04] I

[9:06] focused body and I know little bit

[9:08] something happens in the body I get

[9:10] upset.

[9:11] If someone tells me something I get

[9:13] upset. My mind is so volatile.

[9:15] And I say I am Atman. I am Brahman. So,

[9:17] you're contradicting totally what you're

[9:19] saying and what you're doing

[9:21] not matching.

[9:22] At this at this in this stage you say

[9:26] "Yes, yes, I know that uh

[9:28] but I am your servant. Oh Lord, please

[9:31] help me." Yeah. So, that is the

[9:32] reconciliation means here

[9:35] not that it's contradictory.

[9:37] But it is he says suitable. His words

[9:40] are very important.

[9:42] Uh

[9:43] Naradiya, the way of Narada

[9:46] is most suited in this age. Most suited.

[9:51] Because those really I am Atman I am

[9:54] ultimate truth.

[9:56] Uh and who can say day and night thing I

[9:58] am not the body not the mind. But

[10:00] anything happens to the body, yes, it is

[10:02] happened to the body. I am not.

[10:04] He should have had it. Got it, no?

[10:07] So, it's Turiyananda.

[10:09] Swami Turiyananda, he was

[10:12] in since childhood, I am Atman, I am

[10:14] Brahman, is it not?

[10:16] And he was in the in the waters, and the

[10:19] crocodile came.

[10:21] The story.

[10:23] And as soon as he saw, he ran away.

[10:26] Then he said, "What? I say I'm not the

[10:28] body, not the mind." And he went down

[10:30] again into the waters.

[10:32] See, he is fit for Vedanta.

[10:35] He didn't succumb to the idea, I'm the

[10:38] body. When the body I'm not the body,

[10:40] but something happens to the I run away.

[10:43] No.

[10:44] I ran away, that's my mistake. But I am

[10:47] the Atman, I don't die. Let the body.

[10:49] I'm not the body.

[10:51] What courage is necessary to go down

[10:53] into this

[10:54] We will never go down when one crocodile

[10:57] shows his face.

[10:58] And he just ran out of the crocodile's

[11:02] jaws, and now bold enough to go down,

[11:05] and I am not the body, not the mind.

[11:08] See, this is called the candidate who is

[11:10] fit for

[11:13] or suited, most suited.

[11:16] >> Is it

[11:17] I know that it's a contradiction, but

[11:20] can you practice bhakti with the

[11:22] ultimate goal

[11:24] of

[11:25] >> The ultimate goal is whatever language

[11:27] you say, same.

[11:28] The bhakti means not this bhakti we

[11:30] understand.

[11:32] It is the supreme bhakti, supreme love.

[11:35] There

[11:36] the bhakta no has any ego. Bhakta's ego

[11:40] dies.

[11:41] And Brahma gyani this idea of I, the

[11:45] body, is totally gone. It becomes

[11:47] Brahman. So ultimate state is same.

[11:51] But bhakti path, gyana path.

[11:54] So Sri Ramakrishna said, because in this

[11:57] uh in this in this age

[11:59] we have to see how much time the

[12:02] Ramakrishna said in another place.

[12:04] How many

[12:06] uh hours are spent for our day-to-day

[12:09] living only, earning money, going to

[12:11] office, coming back, and this and that.

[12:14] In early days, people's life was very

[12:16] simple.

[12:17] They used to live on agriculture, some

[12:19] field, and simple food, and then more

[12:23] time to contemplate, to become, to see

[12:26] that that is and that age was different.

[12:30] But now everyone has to work hard in the

[12:32] situation of

[12:34] conflicting societies condition,

[12:36] political condition, this, that. So, it

[12:39] is not so easy to survive and go beyond

[12:42] the body concept.

[12:44] So, this is the very important point.

[12:46] It is not contradictory,

[12:49] but it is this most suited to majority

[12:51] of the people.

[12:53] That does not mean that it is not suited

[12:55] for anyone, but see that's why he says

[12:59] in this Kali Yuga, the life of a man

[13:02] depends on food.

[13:05] In Kali Yuga, depends on food, and other

[13:07] days there is no food.

[13:09] But it is only food that makes you

[13:11] exhaust your energy so much. You have to

[13:13] get some supply to the body, and to earn

[13:16] that you work hard, and your time goes

[13:19] away. So, that is the point. The path of

[13:22] devotion prescribed by Narada is best

[13:25] for this age. This is his language.

[13:28] It is

[13:28] And then, of course, Narada Bhakti,

[13:31] understand that.

[13:33] He says Bhakti as preached by Narada.

[13:38] Narada Bhakti is ordinary not ordinary

[13:40] Bhakti.

[13:42] Ordinary Bhakti ends in rituals and some

[13:45] mantras, chanting, and this and that.

[13:47] But Narada Bhakti is the Bhakti he's

[13:50] talking about the ultimate in the

[13:52] supreme Bhakti,

[13:53] the great love for God.

[13:58] So, the devotees have brought that then

[14:00] then he has just

[14:02] This is very beautiful scene to imagine.

[14:05] See Ramakrishna sitting and someone

[14:07] brought some jalebi packet

[14:09] of jalebi, and he is fond of that, and

[14:11] he started eating one thing. And he

[14:14] says, "See, I am eating this jalebi.

[14:16] Jalebis coming to me because I take the

[14:18] mother's name. So, people feed me.

[14:21] Yeah?" It's like a child, a very happy

[14:23] child talking about that. And next what

[14:25] he says, "But you see, I chant the name

[14:28] of the one mother, I get all these

[14:30] things, good things to eat. But again,

[14:33] in one stroke he tells, "It is not the

[14:36] mundane thing.

[14:37] Mother does not give the mundane things.

[14:39] She gives the fruit.

[14:41] What type of fruit?

[14:43] He does not give the fruit like as good

[14:46] or pumpkin, many ordinary mundane

[14:50] transitory thing. But mother gives what?

[14:53] She bestows the results, fruit of amrita

[14:56] nectar.

[14:58] Immortality.

[15:00] That is the knowledge, love,

[15:02] discrimination, renunciation. That is

[15:04] the these qualities

[15:07] is given by the mother.

[15:10] A boy of six or seven years old entered

[15:12] the room.

[15:14] The master himself become like a child.

[15:17] He covered the contents of the basket

[15:20] with the palm of his hand.

[15:22] >> [laughter]

[15:23] >> As a child

[15:25] don't want to share.

[15:27] >> [laughter]

[15:28] >> He's putting his palm on the top of the

[15:31] basket and hiding them from the boy so

[15:34] that

[15:35] he will not give him.

[15:37] So, then he puts the basket child leaves

[15:40] the letters should snatch them. Then he

[15:43] put the basket aside.

[15:46] Suddenly, the master went into samadhi

[15:50] and sat thus a long time. His body was

[15:55] transfixed.

[15:56] His eyes wide open and unwinking.

[16:00] His breathing hardly perceptible.

[16:05] After a long time, he drew a deep breath

[16:08] indicating his return to the world of

[16:11] senses. See?

[16:13] This is unusually

[16:15] uh ex- uh ex- exceptionally special

[16:19] life.

[16:20] It's like a child

[16:23] eating jalebi, commenting on that,

[16:25] hiding like that.

[16:27] Perhaps that boy will

[16:29] want to take a share. No.

[16:32] And put it in some corner and instantly

[16:34] went into samadhi.

[16:37] When he

[16:39] very rarely we have heard such people in

[16:41] the That's why it's called sahaja

[16:43] samadhi.

[16:45] Sahaja means

[16:46] very spontaneous.

[16:49] Breath, no? Normally our breathing is

[16:51] sahaja.

[16:53] When it's labored breath, then we go to

[16:55] doctor.

[16:58] When it is normal, we don't feel at all.

[17:00] You are breathing.

[17:01] Normal people don't feel the breath. So,

[17:04] samadhi is like that. It It need not

[17:06] have to feel. It comes spontaneously,

[17:09] instantly.

[17:11] So, like breathing, it comes and goes.

[17:15] And

[17:17] this description master observation is

[17:20] so keen.

[17:22] Uh

[17:24] His mind

[17:29] is

[17:30] samadhi and sat thus a long time. His

[17:33] body was transfixed. That's the point.

[17:37] That's what you call the all the signs

[17:38] of dead bo- dead dead body

[17:41] is as visible. Breath

[17:44] is almost stopped.

[17:47] And Namagiri said that the

[17:51] Mm.

[17:53] Kumbhak Kumbhak means

[17:56] the breathing up and down as we are

[17:58] doing. Kumbhak means holding.

[18:02] So, if you can cry

[18:04] for God

[18:06] really and sincerely, kumbhak will

[18:09] happen automatically.

[18:10] Kumbhak means all the functionality of

[18:12] the body stops.

[18:14] No breathing.

[18:16] And for a long prolonged time.

[18:20] I saw a Yogi

[18:22] a hatha Yogi

[18:23] not the spiritual Yogi.

[18:26] And on call India is a

[18:29] wonderful country.

[18:31] People

[18:32] do this type of

[18:34] practice.

[18:35] So he

[18:36] he

[18:37] keeps himself dug the ground, no?

[18:41] And he will be

[18:44] sitting in the in the there is a hole

[18:47] ditch or down great hole and he so that

[18:51] he can

[18:52] sit there.

[18:53] And above him all the dust and dirt they

[18:57] fill up and then this much

[19:00] layer of something and he's

[19:04] kept there.

[19:05] After 1 hour or 2 hours he's coming out.

[19:09] He's showing the Kumbhaka. Kumbhaka

[19:11] means you can control your breath

[19:14] for that length of time.

[19:16] So yoga practice helps.

[19:19] I only do

[19:22] the practice of the Pranayama.

[19:24] There are practices where you can We do

[19:26] the Kumbhaka, no?

[19:28] >> [snorts]

[19:31] >> That means you are not allowing the

[19:33] breath to come back and it is stopped as

[19:35] it were. Only it will not stop. This is

[19:37] our simple practice but those who do

[19:40] practice day and night hold. That's why

[19:42] holding is dangerous.

[19:46] In the Puja

[19:47] Puja time you do some holding.

[19:50] >> How Kumbhaka is related with God

[19:52] realization?

[19:53] >> Huh?

[19:54] >> How Kumbhaka

[19:55] >> No, that means in the mind will go to

[19:57] God in such an extent

[19:59] that the normal functionality of the

[20:01] body will stop.

[20:03] Because of the mind going but they are

[20:05] not these Yogis what they are showing

[20:07] the Kumbhaka

[20:08] they are not putting the mind in God

[20:12] but they are practicing the holding of

[20:14] the Prana in in a such a way they can

[20:17] keep it hold for We can keep it for 16

[20:20] seconds, no?

[20:22] 4 16 8

[20:24] Some can do 832.

[20:28] 4 * 4 4 * 4 Someone can keep for 64.

[20:33] Those who practice long.

[20:35] And he can practice for 1 minute

[20:37] 10 minutes

[20:39] 20 minutes

[20:40] So this is a practice not for God

[20:44] but for

[20:46] It's okay.

[20:48] >> [laughter]

[20:49] >> It's not for God but for due to due to

[20:52] practice of your breathing exercise.

[20:55] But that's different. But Thakur is

[20:57] going to because his mind shoot up into

[20:59] the consciousness in such a way

[21:02] they automatically body identity and all

[21:04] the bodily functions of the nervous

[21:06] system and everything stops.

[21:09] So that's why it's called the Kumbhak.

[21:11] And Ramakrishna said, "If one can

[21:13] sincerely

[21:15] love and cry for God then Kumbhak Kadle

[21:19] Kumbhak Apni Hoy.

[21:22] If you cry for God

[21:24] Kadle Kumbhak this type of arresting of

[21:27] the breath or stoppage of the breathing

[21:30] total breathing

[21:31] will be spontaneous Apni Hoy. It

[21:33] spontaneously happens. You need not have

[21:35] to practice this do Pranayama for longer

[21:39] period. Uh that's in our order we don't

[21:42] pay attention much to

[21:43] uh don't like to pay much attention for

[21:46] the

[21:47] yoga this Pranayama yoga.

[21:51] I mean when you why do focus on your

[21:53] breath you focus on God

[21:56] direct. Ramakrishna who understands God

[21:58] directly. He does not want to go to this

[22:01] This is a process also. In this way you

[22:03] can go also. It's a long process.

[22:07] You are breathing out how long it is

[22:09] going on. I was

[22:11] see the breath.

[22:14] How much air

[22:15] Can you feel it here?

[22:17] And then then that means you're

[22:19] concentrating on your

[22:21] flow of the breath how much it is going

[22:23] on and

[22:24] at the waste of time.

[22:27] Breath air is not Brahman.

[22:30] At least to us. Brahman jnanis may say

[22:33] air is also Brahman.

[22:35] But for us, it is air.

[22:39] So, I am thinking of jada,

[22:41] the matter.

[22:44] Why think of consciousness?

[22:46] God, love, joy, blessings.

[22:50] Suddenly the master went into samadhi

[22:52] and sat there a long time. His body was

[22:55] transfixed. His eyes wide open and

[22:58] unblinking.

[22:59] That's very difficult. Wide open,

[23:02] unblinking, does not blink.

[23:05] As one doctor came to test really it is

[23:09] like that, so put poked

[23:12] his finger into the eyes.

[23:14] But he was surprised.

[23:16] He didn't blink.

[23:20] It is as if were a dead person.

[23:23] When physically dead.

[23:27] So, that type of that is mind has been

[23:30] withdrawn from the body to such an

[23:32] extent not a trace of mind is in the

[23:34] body.

[23:41] His breathing hardly

[23:43] per- perceptible.

[23:44] After a long time, I do not know how

[23:46] long,

[23:48] but he drew a deep breath again.

[23:51] >> [snorts]

[23:51] [sighs]

[23:53] >> As if the prana was somewhere gone.

[23:57] And in a moment he felt that breath uh

[23:59] breathing

[24:01] indicating his return to the world of

[24:03] senses.

[24:05] And then he started talking to Pran

[24:07] Krishna, the fat Brahmin.

[24:10] And what he was Pran Krishna was a high

[24:12] government official

[24:14] and lived in Calcutta. Maybe in a high

[24:16] government position, what his

[24:18] position I do not know.

[24:20] Um

[24:22] but

[24:23] he is also sitting with

[24:25] the Rakhal and others in there.

[24:27] Ramakrishna make everyone equal.

[24:30] Ramakrishna is sitting in the floor.

[24:32] The boy Rakhal is also sitting in the

[24:35] boy. Pranakrishna is a high government

[24:37] official.

[24:38] Decoram is there, isn't it?

[24:41] And then that was a British rule Raj,

[24:43] British rule also.

[24:45] And British time hierarchy rank rank and

[24:50] rank and position is very important. But

[24:53] all are flat Ramakrishna's room. They're

[24:57] all sitting in the mat.

[24:59] And no one is higher, no one is lower.

[25:02] But

[25:03] Ramakrishna sitting with them

[25:05] and

[25:08] Ramakrishna now said talking to

[25:09] Pranakrishna. What he said?

[25:12] My divine mother

[25:14] is not only formless.

[25:17] She has forms as well. And this is a

[25:20] common discussion of Calcutta those

[25:23] days.

[25:24] God with form

[25:25] or God without form.

[25:27] God with form is idolatry.

[25:30] Hindus are all idolaters. That's why the

[25:34] young

[25:36] boys and of that time the English

[25:40] educated boys they abandoned all types

[25:43] of Hindu worship. They don't go to

[25:45] temples.

[25:47] And they they they don't go to any uh

[25:50] place of worship because they are all

[25:52] doing

[25:53] idolatry

[25:54] idol worship.

[25:56] So he said that but my divine mother is

[25:59] not only

[26:01] formless. She's formless. She has also

[26:04] form.

[26:06] One can see her forms.

[26:08] One can behold her incomparable

[26:11] [clears throat] beauty

[26:13] through feeling and love.

[26:16] The mother reveals herself to her

[26:18] devotees in different forms.

[26:22] I saw her yesterday.

[26:24] She was clad in a seamless ochre colored

[26:28] garment and she talked with me.

[26:31] See what do you what do you say about

[26:33] it? She talked with me. She came with a

[26:36] dress, different dress.

[26:39] And

[26:40] and they clad in a seamless

[26:44] ochre-colored garment.

[26:46] And she talked with So, she is sometimes

[26:48] in the form sometimes the formless

[26:51] sometimes dresses this way in diverse

[26:54] forms she comes and talks to me.

[27:00] She came to me another day as a Muslim

[27:03] girl, six or seven years old.

[27:06] She had a tilak

[27:08] on her forehead

[27:10] and was naked.

[27:12] She walked with me joking and frisking

[27:15] like a child.

[27:16] So, Mother plays in all the roles.

[27:18] Mother is saying in Ramakrishna's eyes,

[27:22] it's all Mother playing and Mother it is

[27:24] Mother playing in the

[27:26] different forms.

[27:31] She came

[27:32] >> [clears throat]

[27:32] >> at Shridhar's house. I had a vision of

[27:34] Gauranga.

[27:36] He wore a black-bordered cloth.

[27:40] Haladhari used to say that God is beyond

[27:43] both being and non-being.

[27:46] Right. Being and non-being. That's what

[27:50] is appearing

[27:52] and what is cannot be imagined to be

[27:56] described.

[27:59] I told the Mother

[28:01] about it and asked her,

[28:04] "Then is the divine form an illusion?"

[28:08] Then the divine Mother appeared to me in

[28:11] the form of

[28:12] Roti's mother,

[28:14] Roti's mother, and said,

[28:17] "Do you remain

[28:19] Do thou remain in bhava?"

[28:22] So, bhava means

[28:24] a rare state of divine exaltation.

[28:28] When the devotee

[28:30] after realizing the absolute

[28:33] He in the borderland

[28:35] between the absolute and relative.

[28:38] In this state, he sees

[28:40] that both the absolute and relative

[28:43] as the two aspects of Godhead.

[28:46] As real.

[28:59] Okay.

[29:04] So, he said that it is God can be in

[29:07] both form

[29:09] and formless.

[29:10] And he may be taking any form. That

[29:12] means even a

[29:14] girl, a Muslim girl,

[29:16] and she saw that

[29:18] another form

[29:20] with a

[29:21] tilak in the forehead.

[29:25] Gouranga in a form.

[29:27] So,

[29:29] he he is both being and non-being.

[29:33] And he asked holy him, divine mother,

[29:36] then is then then is the divine form we

[29:39] see an illusion?

[29:43] The divine mother appeared to me in the

[29:44] form of

[29:46] Roti's mother and said, that means Ma

[29:48] comes in every form.

[29:51] Uh Roti's mother means one lady who used

[29:54] to

[29:55] be the

[29:56] um working in the

[29:59] Rasmoney

[30:01] temple. So, he used to

[30:03] give every time the evening time waving

[30:06] the incense and other things in the room

[30:08] rooms, not in the temple. So, she has

[30:11] paid for that. She's a paid lady.

[30:15] And Sri Ramakrishna seeing the mother

[30:17] divine in her.

[30:21] And then Ma came and said, do you remain

[30:24] in the bhava?

[30:26] I repeat this to Haladhari.

[30:29] Now and then I forget her command

[30:31] and suffer. Once I broke my teeth

[30:35] because I did not remain in power.

[30:38] So I shall remain in power unless I

[30:40] receive a revelation

[30:42] from heaven or have a direct experience

[30:45] in the country. I shall follow the path

[30:48] of love.

[30:49] What do you say?

[30:50] Power means you remain not get too much

[30:53] absorbed in the as I said.

[30:56] And somebody said I do japa

[31:00] while driving. I mean that's good. I

[31:02] also meditate. I mean ah

[31:04] dangerous.

[31:06] If you if you meditate, you'll hit the

[31:09] car somewhere else.

[31:12] There is one devotee used to stay here.

[31:15] And I used to he

[31:17] he is actually from Tucson.

[31:21] So when I previously used to go every

[31:24] every alternate month or every month

[31:28] to both the places. I go to Tucson,

[31:30] give a talk and their class.

[31:33] And then someone drives me to the

[31:35] Phoenix.

[31:37] And that was the regular

[31:39] plan. And then I

[31:41] go by plane to Tucson and then Phoenix

[31:44] finishing program. Then I come fly back

[31:46] here.

[31:47] And he was a little

[31:50] a a mystic type.

[31:52] So he will be driving and he sometimes

[31:55] gets stopped. I mean hey,

[31:57] why your eyes are closed? And I'm

[31:59] meditating. I mean don't do it me.

[32:03] >> [laughter]

[32:04] >> You You may drive and meditate but don't

[32:08] don't do that with me.

[32:10] So

[32:11] So Sri Ramakrishna in the power of means

[32:14] and don't go deep

[32:17] absorption there. Otherwise it it will

[32:19] be dangerous. So that's why

[32:21] Ramakrishna said I didn't I forget

[32:23] sometime and I follow didn't follow the

[32:26] mother's instruction. So in the

[32:28] absorption may happen, I fell down, I

[32:30] broke my teeth

[32:32] and broke my arm. The two times it

[32:34] happened. It is because of absorption in

[32:37] God.

[32:38] So that's why he said "You stay in the

[32:39] treasure

[32:40] Mahamukha."

[32:42] Huh? So, that you can see the divine

[32:45] form in this side, and if you like, on

[32:47] that side it will be Brahman. But, you

[32:49] know that you are in the treasure not

[32:51] there much. If you go there, you will

[32:54] down.

[32:55] That means you're totally lost.

[32:57] You are lost to yourself in that

[32:59] consciousness.

[33:05] Ramakrishna said, "Yes, sir." Master

[33:08] said, "But, why should I ask you

[33:11] about it?

[33:13] There is someone within me

[33:16] who does all these things through me. At

[33:19] times I used to remain

[33:21] in a mood of Godhood and would enjoy no

[33:24] peace of mind unless I would being

[33:27] worshipped. I were being worshipped.

[33:30] Sometimes he said, "At times I used to

[33:33] remain in a mood of Godhead." That means

[33:35] identifying with God.

[33:37] Then, what happened? Unless someone

[33:40] worships in me

[33:43] because that me, Ramakrishna, me is

[33:44] gone.

[33:45] The Ramakrishna as the God or goddess,

[33:48] whatever he's in the mood,

[33:51] it gets totally

[33:53] absorbed into that mood. That means

[33:56] Ramakrishna transforms into that divine

[33:59] form.

[34:01] That's why our

[34:03] we always suggest that think of

[34:04] Ramakrishna as the embodiment of all

[34:06] gods and goddesses.

[34:08] And he said, "That time unless I was be

[34:11] I were being worshipped

[34:13] uh I will

[34:15] uh would not enjoy no peace of mind

[34:17] unless someone worships him.

[34:21] I am the machine, and God is the

[34:23] operator.

[34:25] I act as he makes me act. I speak as he

[34:29] makes me speak.

[34:32] Keep your raft,

[34:34] says Ramprasad, afloat on the sea of

[34:37] life,

[34:38] drifting up with the flood tide,

[34:40] drifting down in the ebb.

[34:43] So, in that is this

[34:45] song of Ramprasad.

[34:47] So, Ramakrishna said it is bhakti he's

[34:50] talking today. Very much engaged in

[34:53] emphasizing on the bhakti path.

[34:55] And how to how to bhakti path? Bhakti

[34:57] path is not easy to think

[35:00] that I every day every action we do.

[35:04] Our ego comes up in any way. How much we

[35:07] think that I am doing for God.

[35:10] But our ego comes every That's why he

[35:11] said,

[35:13] "I am the machine. Uh I am the and God

[35:16] is the operator."

[35:19] And we think we operate ourselves. I did

[35:21] it. I liked it. I dislike it. I don't

[35:24] want. I want. I do this.

[35:27] I will change. I will be doing

[35:29] meditation. I will be doing tapasya.

[35:32] Nothing will happen. What Mother wants

[35:34] that will happen.

[35:36] That's why

[35:37] that is surrender surrender surrender.

[35:39] To tell of not my ego. Uh I think I will

[35:44] keep my mind in samadhi. Go.

[35:48] Try your whole life. After 2 days you

[35:52] run away from that. No.

[35:54] So, it is not surrender. So long the

[35:57] body consciousness is there,

[35:59] it is we are not fit. Though we say I am

[36:01] atman brahman,

[36:02] it is good to say, always to say,

[36:05] but to keep our awareness in that level

[36:07] is very very high level. Therefore,

[36:11] devotee devotion is good. And we are not

[36:14] particularly

[36:16] fascinated with one path.

[36:19] Jnana is jnana jnana. It's called jnana

[36:21] charchari.

[36:23] You make charchari, you know? Charchari

[36:25] is the vegetable curry mixed together.

[36:28] It is that is normal jnana is jnana

[36:30] charchari.

[36:31] But bhakti can give some spice and

[36:34] sweetness in life.

[36:36] And also to surrender to God

[36:38] is a help to us because we always we are

[36:41] in difficulty. Where do you go?

[36:44] When you are in need of some financial

[36:46] crisis, you go to a person who have the

[36:49] financial ability to help you, no?

[36:51] So, you go to

[36:53] beg something grace from who has

[36:55] health awareness to have when I am weak

[36:58] in health, I go to a person who can

[37:00] teach me how to keep the way health, no?

[37:03] So, we are always take surrender. We go

[37:06] and take refuge

[37:08] in which profession. And God is the

[37:12] giver of everything. So, to ask from God

[37:15] is much better.

[37:17] And that's called surrender.

[37:19] And Ramakrishna said that's why, "I am

[37:21] the machine

[37:23] and God is the operator. I act

[37:25] as he makes me act." It should be very

[37:28] sincere

[37:30] and just not the word of the mouth.

[37:33] Actually, to feel that he is actually

[37:35] the operator.

[37:36] And if it happens, then your

[37:37] responsibility is gone.

[37:40] We have our responsibilities

[37:43] good person should have right type of

[37:45] feeling.

[37:47] Right type of

[37:49] understanding

[37:50] that not to mix up with my ego.

[37:54] As God's ego.

[37:55] I do something wrong, I say, "Oh, God is

[37:57] telling me to do." No, God does not want

[37:59] to tell you. Your ego is coming

[38:01] naturally in between. Ramakrishna said,

[38:04] "An expert dancer

[38:06] never makes a false step, no?

[38:10] Those who are expert that adds to the

[38:12] beauty of their dancing, even if they do

[38:15] some

[38:16] uh separate move movement.

[38:22] It is like the

[38:24] It is like the cast off leaf

[38:27] before a gale.

[38:29] Sometimes it is blown

[38:31] to a good place,

[38:33] sometimes into the gutter

[38:36] according to the direction of the wind,

[38:38] no?

[38:38] So, that is called surrender. Very

[38:41] beautiful example.

[38:43] A dry leaf

[38:45] has no

[38:48] wish wish of its own.

[38:54] The wind blows this direction, takes it

[38:57] on the top of this temple, okay?

[39:01] Pushes into the

[39:03] drain dirty drain, yeah, okay.

[39:06] It has no choice. It does not care for

[39:09] anything.

[39:10] That's why surrender means that

[39:12] and depending on God means this this

[39:15] this idea.

[39:20] As the weaver said in the story,

[39:24] the robbery was committed by the will of

[39:26] Rama.

[39:27] I was arrested by the police by the will

[39:30] of Rama

[39:31] and again by the will of Rama I was set

[39:33] free.

[39:35] So, that story you remember?

[39:37] A gentleman was

[39:39] resting in the hot summer

[39:43] uh not in his room but outside in the

[39:46] garden.

[39:47] And then a

[39:49] a

[39:50] gang of robbers

[39:52] they stole something from some house

[39:55] and it is too heavy to carry for it.

[39:57] They are finding, where shall I get this

[39:59] night time?

[40:00] Who can carry this load for us?

[40:03] They found that this man is a

[40:05] very strong person lying

[40:07] trying to sleep in the garden house.

[40:09] They pulled him out and come, carry our

[40:12] load.

[40:13] So, they put the all the stolen things

[40:15] on his head.

[40:17] And they are going away.

[40:19] And then police came.

[40:21] They they ran away

[40:23] and the man was caught with the all

[40:25] stolen things.

[40:27] Police took them to the jail

[40:30] and then

[40:32] put him to

[40:33] appear before the judge next time.

[40:36] And judge asked, "What happened?

[40:38] Why did you steal?"

[40:41] Uh how did you steal? Then he said,

[40:44] "Sir, by Rama's will

[40:48] I it was a hot day.

[40:50] Rama's will, I tried to sleep in the

[40:53] home.

[40:55] But it was too hot. By Rama's will, I

[40:58] came out and I was lying in the outside

[41:01] garden or in my veranda.

[41:03] And by Rama's will, this group of people

[41:06] were going

[41:07] and this Rama's Rama's will, they saw

[41:09] me.

[41:10] And by Rama's will, they forced me to

[41:12] go.

[41:14] And Rama's will, they put the load up on

[41:15] my head.

[41:17] By Rama's will, I was going with them.

[41:20] And by Rama's will,

[41:22] the police came.

[41:24] And by Rama's will, they all managed to

[41:26] let leave.

[41:28] And by Rama's will, I was caught.

[41:31] By Rama's will, I was taken to the jail.

[41:35] And by Rama's will, I am here now, sir.

[41:39] So,

[41:40] uh the judge thought he is a

[41:42] good person, honest person. So, he

[41:45] excused him from all punishment. So,

[41:48] point is that Rama's will, to understand

[41:51] in every action,

[41:53] not in good,

[41:55] not in good, but not in in good and in

[41:57] bad.

[41:58] Whatever is coming,

[42:00] we have to just abolish our ego.

[42:06] Very difficult.

[42:08] Ego will not go.

[42:11] Even there is a pride of

[42:15] and

[42:16] uh there is a great pride that I am

[42:18] nothing.

[42:20] I'm nothing. I'm nothing.

[42:23] Here's the comparison. I'm nothing. I'm

[42:25] nothing. I'm nothing.

[42:26] But then telling 10 times I'm nothing,

[42:28] you are saying I'm something some

[42:30] somebody.

[42:31] I'm somebody.

[42:34] So, to be very aware to get out of the

[42:36] ego is the surrender. This ego,

[42:39] Ramakrishna said,

[42:42] this to how to get out of this ego?

[42:44] Let the rascal ego

[42:46] remain as a servant servant of

[42:48] Ramakrishna.

[42:50] Hanumanji said,

[42:52] the whole so long I have the body

[42:54] consciousness

[42:59] so long I have the body consciousness

[43:02] I am the servant and Lord Rama is the

[43:05] boss.

[43:06] I am his servant, no?

[43:09] So that idea

[43:11] that to say I am your servant, I am your

[43:13] servant. Oh Lord, I am doing your work.

[43:16] Uh

[43:17] please guide me. So to refuse take that

[43:19] refuse. Then only ego will not go. Ego

[43:22] will be deified.

[43:25] My ego, Sarvananda's ego, versus this

[43:28] Ramakrishna's ego.

[43:30] It will be same [snorts] ego will

[43:32] remain, but it should take a turn and

[43:35] color of the divine.

[43:38] So this is the surrender, ego ego

[43:40] surrender.

[43:49] So Hanuman once said to Rama, "Rama, I

[43:52] have taken refuge in thee.

[43:54] Bless me that I may have pure devotion

[43:57] to your lotus feet

[43:59] and that I may not be caught in the

[44:01] spell of your world-witching Maya."

[44:05] When said dying bullfrog said to Rama,

[44:09] "Oh Rama,

[44:10] when caught by a snake, I cry for your

[44:13] protection, but now I am about to die

[44:17] struck by your arrow, hence I am

[44:20] silent."

[44:24] There is story that in the

[44:27] during that

[44:29] days of

[44:31] wandering in the

[44:34] with 14 years of exile of Rama

[44:37] so Rama was going and

[44:40] Lakshmana was following

[44:42] and they wanted to

[44:46] Rama threw an arrow to

[44:48] for getting some water or something.

[44:51] They have some skills to by

[44:54] by throwing arrow they can dig the

[44:56] ground and bring out the water.

[44:58] Such power was there.

[45:00] So, he saw

[45:03] that he inadvertently

[45:05] a frog was

[45:07] hit by the arrow

[45:09] and it is bleeding profusely.

[45:12] Then

[45:13] Hanuman is that Lakshmana

[45:16] uh

[45:18] mm

[45:19] saw that and asked, "Oh, oh, the the

[45:23] crow and this frog is now almost dead."

[45:26] Then

[45:28] uh

[45:29] he asked Rama,

[45:31] "Brother, brother,

[45:33] oh

[45:34] we have done something wrong. We have

[45:36] killed a

[45:37] frog, innocent frog.

[45:40] But why did you not

[45:42] um

[45:43] make a noise that I could have taken out

[45:46] the

[45:47] arrow from the body, no?"

[45:49] He then Lakshmana went and asked, "Why

[45:52] did you not

[45:54] make a noise that you are hit by We

[45:56] could have saved your life."

[45:58] Then he said, "That that time this

[46:00] statement Oh, Rama,

[46:03] mm

[46:05] that uh

[46:07] when caught by a snake

[46:10] the frog is caught by a snake, then then

[46:13] the snake makes noise, no?

[46:16] I cry for your protection. Oh, Lord,

[46:19] please protect me.

[46:21] But now I am about to die

[46:24] struck by your arrow. So, who where

[46:27] shall I cry?

[46:29] That means

[46:30] it is you are the protector

[46:33] and you want to kill me. That's your

[46:35] good That's let thy will be done.

[46:39] That means to surrender since such a way

[46:40] that ego

[46:42] belongs to God, God's ego.

[46:47] Mm.

[46:52] >> I think they

[46:53] I mean I

[46:54] understand it like

[46:57] intellectually, but sometimes it can be

[46:59] confusing cuz I think

[47:01] it's like surrender and there's like

[47:04] some

[47:05] aspect of free will somehow included in

[47:08] it or at least how we

[47:11] think about it, but

[47:13] also

[47:14] like how could you able to could you be

[47:17] able to tell

[47:19] that someone is

[47:21] truly surrendered and compared to like

[47:25] justifying every action that they do

[47:28] no [snorts] matter what it is

[47:30] and saying, "Oh, but it's

[47:32] the will of God."

[47:33] >> Oh God.

[47:35] There is this cup

[47:36] >> Yeah.

[47:36] >> misunderstanding about that. But

[47:39] actually, we are talking about a person

[47:42] who has really

[47:43] practiced and practiced in whole life

[47:47] and naturally surrendered.

[47:49] For them, no problem. Suffering comes,

[47:52] joy comes, they see it is all God's

[47:55] grace.

[47:56] Uh they that

[47:59] that Pow Hari Baba when the snake

[48:02] was entering into his room and going to

[48:05] bite, no?

[48:07] He was so happy.

[48:09] The God's messenger has come.

[48:12] That means that is the mind is

[48:14] surrendered in such a way

[48:16] it it matters little what good, bad it's

[48:19] not matter.

[48:21] And bad is not bad, good is not good

[48:24] because to the bad and to the good,

[48:27] God's grace is coming upon me. They're

[48:30] convinced. They're developed in such a

[48:32] way.

[48:33] Uh we have to practice that to gain to

[48:35] get to that state.

[48:37] Very high state. It is almost the state

[48:39] of God realization.

[48:41] So so that's why

[48:43] in this the self effort is for us.

[48:48] So uh to do something because God has

[48:51] given us

[48:52] the strength and power. After wasting

[48:56] that or exhausting that give it to God.

[49:00] And whatever happens is God's will.

[49:03] It is a practice, very difficult.

[49:05] And no path is easy, whatever we do.

[49:08] But to surrender totally, surrender is

[49:11] um

[49:12] uh

[49:13] our our our trust goes away within a

[49:15] moment.

[49:17] If some disaster comes, some difficulty

[49:19] comes, no.

[49:20] We cannot handle them.

[49:22] Then sometimes people say, "I

[49:23] surrendered to God.

[49:25] Why it is not happening? I wanted it.

[49:28] Why God is not giving?"

[49:30] Yes, that's say that means I want I

[49:33] still there, and I my way I want to feel

[49:37] your grace.

[49:38] No.

[49:39] It is his way. He how he wants to do

[49:42] whatever.

[49:44] This ego should be So, it's really high

[49:46] state. But to understand this type of

[49:49] sarana gati, surrender

[49:51] is not ordinary. That ego lessness in a

[49:54] high level.

[50:01] I used to see God directly

[50:04] with these very eyes, just as I see you.

[50:07] Now I see divine visions in trance.

[50:10] So, I used to see God directly these

[50:12] very eyes in a very high state.

[50:15] But for the good of the world, the mind

[50:17] he has brought down little to the

[50:19] worldly plane

[50:21] so that he can becomes more functional.

[50:23] Otherwise, Ramakrishna will be in

[50:25] samadhi all the time.

[50:27] He was there for 6 months continuously.

[50:30] It is called jada samadhi.

[50:33] He had no body consciousness.

[50:35] Then one holy man came

[50:38] and he saw the greatness of this

[50:40] Ramakrishna.

[50:41] And he want to save the life of

[50:43] Ramakrishna. That's why he used to

[50:45] collect some

[50:46] food and make it a ball like that.

[50:50] Food ball and beat him

[50:53] so that little bit body consciousness

[50:55] comes. And as soon as they

[50:58] And then he used to push that ball into

[51:00] the mouth.

[51:02] That's

[51:03] Very survival was dependent on such

[51:07] little food. But he

[51:10] he could not come down. Ordinary people

[51:13] if they get to Brahmam Gyana, that type

[51:16] of absorption,

[51:17] we hear that 21 days he can keep the

[51:20] body.

[51:21] After if if he does not come back within

[51:24] 21 days, as he Ramakrishna said, then I

[51:27] I once

[51:29] I used to see God directly with these

[51:31] very eyes just as I see you. Now I see

[51:34] divine vision in trance. That means when

[51:37] my mind goes little higher, then I see

[51:40] God. But now I little did mix with Maya,

[51:44] so I have to functionality of the world.

[51:48] So

[51:52] I think that is the idea to be taken

[51:53] that is very very difficult state

[51:56] to reach, but practice.

[52:01] After realizing God,

[52:04] a man becomes like a child.

[52:07] One acquires the nature of the object

[52:10] one meditates upon. And then the nature

[52:13] of God

[52:14] is like that of a child.

[52:16] As a child builds up his toy house

[52:20] and then breaks it down,

[52:22] so God acts

[52:24] while creating, preserving, and

[52:26] destroying the universe.

[52:29] Further, as a child

[52:30] is not under the control of any gunas,

[52:33] so God is beyond the three gunas,

[52:36] sattva, rajas, and tamas.

[52:38] That is why Paramahamsas

[52:40] keep five or 10 years children with them

[52:44] that they may assume their

[52:47] child's nature.

[52:49] So Sri Ramakrishna said, "The Brahmam

[52:52] Gyanis,

[52:53] they become like a child. Saran,

[52:56] simple."

[52:58] Uh As much spiritual personality,

[53:01] crookedness goes away from their heart.

[53:04] They cannot hide hide something uh to

[53:07] say something

[53:09] little twisting turning

[53:12] impossible for them.

[53:13] Whatever they say there's very simple.

[53:16] So, means straightforward

[53:18] straightforward.

[53:21] And that's why Ramakrishna said this

[53:23] Brahma Gani sometimes keep some small

[53:26] children around them to adapt the

[53:29] characteristic of these children.

[53:32] Children are very simple, no?

[53:34] They play this time they're

[53:37] building a castle

[53:39] and next time they're throwing away. No

[53:41] attachment.

[53:43] No likes and dislikes. Anyone comes, he

[53:46] may be very friendly with anyone.

[53:49] Uh so, to be spiritual means simple.

[53:53] Uh complex mind those people who have

[53:55] very complexity in the mind it takes

[53:58] long time

[53:59] to

[54:00] uh realize God.

[54:04] Okay, so we can end here.

[54:07] If you have any question.

[54:14] All right.

[54:18] Question is here.

[54:19] We have given here.

[54:36] Oh,

[54:38] reading about the loving care

[54:41] Ramakrishna takes in awakening his

[54:43] disciples spirituality

[54:46] in the gospel is wonderful. Does Thakur

[54:49] assist ordinary modern householders

[54:52] as with spiritual titans like Narendra,

[54:55] Rakhal, Sarada, etc.

[54:58] Yes, he does, but

[55:01] Naren is Naren.

[55:03] Rakhal is Rakhal.

[55:06] Uh

[55:07] They can contain Their container is

[55:09] bigger.

[55:11] Our is 1 oz cup.

[55:13] If you get, huh?

[55:15] Little bit of

[55:17] something in the cup, then we'll be

[55:19] overwhelmed.

[55:21] But they are they can contain

[55:23] uh millions of gallons of water.

[55:27] So, they hold more. God's grace is The

[55:30] electricity supply is the same, is it

[55:32] not?

[55:33] The receptivity is depends upon uh how

[55:35] much is the

[55:37] huh?

[55:38] What is called the voltage here?

[55:41] It is zero lamp, it is 60 W, it is 100

[55:44] W. The supply line is infinite. It it

[55:46] comes. So, Vivekananda is like a big

[55:49] giant

[55:52] light.

[55:54] We are like night lamps, maybe.

[55:57] The light but current behind is both of

[56:00] Ramakrishna God is the same at the back.

[56:03] That's why each soul is potentially

[56:04] divine. Divinity everyone is the same.

[56:09] But manifestation is the question. So,

[56:12] because of Rakhal, Naren, Sarada, they

[56:15] are all special

[56:17] because they have their bigger power

[56:19] to manifest.

[56:20] So, that is the difference. And but God

[56:23] is gracious. You can increase your

[56:25] capacity from zero zero

[56:28] night lamp to 60 W.

[56:30] If you apply Sadhana, then you will get

[56:32] 60 W light. People will be attracted to

[56:34] you more than the zero W lamp.

[56:39] Huh? So, Naren is Naren because world

[56:42] gets attracted to him.

[56:44] Rakhal is Rakhal.

[56:46] He is attracted next.

[56:48] Uh so many people in the world.

[56:51] Ramana Maharshi get the attraction more.

[56:55] But Brahmagyani is the same.

[56:58] If he is a Brahmagyani, there is no

[57:00] difference

[57:01] in the state of gyana

[57:03] when mind shoots up.

[57:05] And then state, they all stay there.

[57:08] When comes out,

[57:10] how much was the

[57:12] body mind to capacity?

[57:15] That much manifest.

[57:17] But we can increase.

[57:19] When a man realizes God or an empty man

[57:21] becomes spiritual, you'll see many

[57:23] people will flocking around them.

[57:26] It is the power develop and that goes

[57:28] away because they don't keep their

[57:30] sadhana.

[57:31] Many of the gurus you see

[57:34] have a big follower.

[57:37] That means they have something

[57:38] spirituality manifest.

[57:41] But it should be kept up.

[57:44] If not, someone give you 100,000,

[57:48] 100,000 will be 100,000, but if you give

[57:51] away

[57:52] by getting full name and you have a big

[57:54] follower and ah ah ah ah ah your ego is

[57:58] getting

[57:59] uh they they're taking away your

[58:01] spirituality gradually.

[58:03] And then what will happen?

[58:05] You will be an ordinary person again.

[58:08] That's why unless you get established,

[58:11] that is the point. Brahma jnana should

[58:13] be established. One time is good.

[58:17] Nothing wrong. One time is good.

[58:19] Rather than nothing.

[58:21] But that is not the end because if you

[58:24] start giving away, your stock will be

[58:27] over.

[58:29] So that's why this is yes, they have

[58:32] dance they assist Ramakrishna. Surely

[58:35] Ramakrishna assist ordinary modern

[58:37] household dress. Uh

[58:40] uh exactly like that. It seems that an

[58:42] ignorant person such as myself needs

[58:45] much more help than an Ishwarkoti. If

[58:48] so, is this to be taken on faith alone?

[58:52] No, not faith alone. It is true.

[58:55] It it is true it is true it is true. We

[58:58] have to do more intense practice

[59:00] wherever you may be. In the eyes of God,

[59:03] there is no superiority inferiority. It

[59:06] is the sincerity.

[59:07] It is child mother's is mother is

[59:10] gracious. As I say fan is there,

[59:13] air is there, cooling air. But we have

[59:16] to go to close to the air.

[59:18] I remaining at a distance, I cannot say,

[59:21] "Oh, ho, it is for special few people.

[59:23] They are getting the cool breeze." A

[59:25] cool breeze for me also.

[59:27] We have to get out of it. And so,

[59:30] practice more. And God's grace is there.

[59:32] We need not have to think what God will

[59:34] do.

[59:36] But we have to think what we need to do.

[59:39] Very important point.

[59:42] We we we think that should we get the

[59:44] grace of God like Naren came, Ram,

[59:47] Rakhal came. Should we get it? No.

[59:50] They are special. We are

[59:52] We are We are No.

[59:54] We cannot be like Vivekananda. That's a

[59:57] different thing.

[59:58] But I can get his grace, feel his grace.

[1:00:06] Ah.

[1:00:07] Bolo.

[1:00:08] >> For spiritual practitioners not lay

[1:00:11] people.

[1:00:12] I'm not talking about that. But just

[1:00:14] people who are household or who are

[1:00:16] working

[1:00:17] >> Ah.

[1:00:18] >> Sometimes you have Not sometimes, all

[1:00:20] the time that you're doing day-to-day

[1:00:21] work, doing some work or you're doing

[1:00:24] your task.

[1:00:25] In the moment when you're working

[1:00:28] >> Hm.

[1:00:28] >> process

[1:00:30] You still have to have a goal, right? I

[1:00:32] have to achieve this project or this

[1:00:34] goal.

[1:00:35] At that point

[1:00:37] you know, you offer it and then you

[1:00:39] focus on that

[1:00:40] I mean, God will give grace and then it

[1:00:42] will happen.

[1:00:43] Obviously

[1:00:44] you have to make sure that your work is

[1:00:45] done.

[1:00:48] You know,

[1:00:49] you have to apply your

[1:00:50] that that

[1:00:52] In other words, there will be some kind

[1:00:54] of ego involved in that.

[1:00:55] >> Ego ego ego should be good needed to do

[1:00:58] anything. And to anything we need ego.

[1:01:01] But if it is applied for God or taking

[1:01:05] refuge in God, that's also good ego.

[1:01:07] We should have to

[1:01:09] abandon our bad ego

[1:01:11] and pamper our good ego.

[1:01:13] And then ego good ego also should have

[1:01:16] to go away.

[1:01:17] Ultimately, that is total surrender.

[1:01:22] It is God's grace also and our effort.

[1:01:25] Our effort should be there, but in

[1:01:27] spiritual life it is said you can do as

[1:01:29] much as you can do, but God realization

[1:01:33] is by his grace only. So, grace comes.

[1:01:36] It is not that he will be not gracious,

[1:01:38] but we have to work harder.

[1:01:41] The more emphasis on our own practice.

[1:01:51] So, attachment why you detach why you

[1:01:53] will be detached unless you love God?

[1:01:56] Unless you know that God is doing

[1:01:58] everything. That is the detachment.

[1:02:02] Detachment from the world and

[1:02:04] worldliness.

[1:02:15] Oh.

[1:02:16] And that is a state state of mind when

[1:02:19] you have the power to detach

[1:02:22] and to attach. That's a different thing.

[1:02:25] In a rich matured state, you see God

[1:02:27] everywhere.

[1:02:29] So, you are ready.

[1:02:31] But holy mother.

[1:02:33] Uh she is holding on to ready's all

[1:02:37] these childlike [snorts]

[1:02:39] things and keeping her mind down. And

[1:02:42] when you detach

[1:02:43] one one moment take ready away from here

[1:02:47] and man never look back.

[1:02:49] So, that is a very high state. But to

[1:02:51] reach that state the equality to detach

[1:02:54] and to detach is not an ordinary thing.

[1:02:56] Long practice and purification of the

[1:02:59] mind.

[1:03:00] Can we say is Sri Ramakrishna is most

[1:03:02] manifest within

[1:03:04] the Belur shine or is he equally

[1:03:06] manifested everywhere and in every

[1:03:09] devotee or layman? No, he may be

[1:03:11] manifested more there.

[1:03:15] But because that also because

[1:03:18] he said Ramakrishna Swami Vivekananda

[1:03:21] established Ramakrishna in Belur Math

[1:03:24] and he said that he will be here. He

[1:03:27] gave me word.

[1:03:29] Ramakrishna told Naren that wherever you

[1:03:32] will keep me carry and put me I shall be

[1:03:35] there.

[1:03:35] So that is the power of the

[1:03:40] being Ramakrishna's presence more there

[1:03:42] and also he said after 1500 years

[1:03:46] it will be the spreading the idea of

[1:03:49] Ramakrishna all over the globe for the

[1:03:51] good of humanity. He will remain here.

[1:03:54] So we believe that and also people feel

[1:03:57] that because and hundreds and thousands

[1:03:59] of people are going there one pointed

[1:04:01] mind to see Ramakrishna to see happy

[1:04:05] Darshan. So the mind you see the purity

[1:04:07] of the mind of all these people

[1:04:09] accumulated have tremendous energy.

[1:04:12] In this temple there is energy.

[1:04:15] But you hold good Boulevard is also

[1:04:17] place. Go and stand there

[1:04:19] to see the energy difference.

[1:04:21] It will be there if there is also God's

[1:04:23] energy.

[1:04:24] There's nothing but God everywhere but

[1:04:27] the God's energy is manifested and

[1:04:28] non-manifest.

[1:04:30] If you

[1:04:31] meditate on a

[1:04:32] personal particular seat every day hours

[1:04:37] and hours and you sit one day your mind

[1:04:40] is distracted you'll find that that that

[1:04:42] subtle vibration also helping you to

[1:04:45] raise your consciousness. Of course then

[1:04:47] that sense yes there is special place

[1:04:50] where more manifest less manifest but we

[1:04:52] can

[1:04:54] he's everywhere that in energy is

[1:04:56] everywhere.

[1:04:59] If we are doing something wrong without

[1:05:02] realizing and God does not give us any

[1:05:04] hint by which we can make amends in our

[1:05:07] beliefs should God the ideal sense then

[1:05:10] have any right to punish us? God does

[1:05:13] not punish

[1:05:14] and God does not give anything. If we

[1:05:17] have done something wrong we say I'll

[1:05:19] not do anymore.

[1:05:21] And I did it wrongly. I didn't

[1:05:23] understand. Just a always very simple

[1:05:26] statement to tell you know

[1:05:29] you openly to God

[1:05:32] that I did it something wrong.

[1:05:36] Please forgive me.

[1:05:38] I will not do it again.

[1:05:40] That's the point.

[1:05:43] God is not giving punishment. Karma is

[1:05:45] giving the punishment. Understand? I'm

[1:05:48] putting my finger in the fire.

[1:05:51] God is not coming to burn my finger.

[1:05:54] God is not doing anything.

[1:05:56] God has made a rule.

[1:05:58] You are

[1:05:59] driving in the freeway

[1:06:01] and you break the rule, police will come

[1:06:02] and give a ticket.

[1:06:04] Oh, God, why God punishing me?

[1:06:06] No, no, no. But I did something wrong. I

[1:06:09] can beg. I can go to the court

[1:06:12] to be excused. Okay, try that.

[1:06:15] But

[1:06:17] karma will have his karma

[1:06:19] But we don't need not have to think that

[1:06:21] God is giving punishment. If we do

[1:06:24] something wrong, you say Ramakrishna

[1:06:26] said, "Go

[1:06:27] then say that, 'Oh Lord, I won't do it

[1:06:29] again.'"

[1:06:30] And in the in the Christian world, you

[1:06:33] go, huh?

[1:06:34] What you call?

[1:06:36] You go back and pray to God, huh?

[1:06:39] The clergy.

[1:06:41] Confession.

[1:06:42] And there's a big science.

[1:06:44] You do this. What you say? All you open

[1:06:47] your heart. You did whatever right or

[1:06:48] wrong. And say everything and said, "I

[1:06:51] have done it. Please forgive me. I will

[1:06:52] not do." Huh? So, that's that's a

[1:06:55] practice.

[1:06:56] So, you know, day-to-day life we can do

[1:06:58] practice.

[1:06:59] You are If I'm sincere,

[1:07:01] I am done unconsciously or

[1:07:04] something wrong, please forgive me.

[1:07:07] Huh? We have to take in that way.

[1:07:10] How to practice detachment?

[1:07:13] How are

[1:07:14] how to

[1:07:15] practice detachment?

[1:07:21] How to practice detachment? How to

[1:07:23] practice detachment? You have to love

[1:07:25] something.

[1:07:26] You have to attach to something.

[1:07:29] Huh? You see

[1:07:31] uh

[1:07:31] a boy falls in love with a girl.

[1:07:35] The boy was very very much fan of mom

[1:07:40] or

[1:07:41] his in the home dad or mom or brother or

[1:07:44] sister.

[1:07:46] He was attached this side.

[1:07:48] Now his attachment goes to the other

[1:07:49] side.

[1:07:51] The attachment remaining the same.

[1:07:54] Where to put, where not to put. So we'll

[1:07:56] have to practice that.

[1:07:58] We have attachment for many things.

[1:08:00] We'll have to put attachment to God.

[1:08:02] Practice.

[1:08:04] Can we always consult Kathamrita to

[1:08:06] decide in matters of uh of day-to-day

[1:08:10] events, too?

[1:08:11] It says that yes, many people

[1:08:15] uh says so.

[1:08:17] You may try that. You have any problem,

[1:08:20] somebody says

[1:08:21] anytime any problem comes, I just open

[1:08:24] the Gospel. Just close my eyes and let's

[1:08:27] open. And the page comes and I read and

[1:08:30] I find my response.

[1:08:32] If you are fortunate, you got it.

[1:08:35] But

[1:08:37] but I cannot say for certain that all

[1:08:39] the time it will get you the but

[1:08:42] you will get some divine message. But

[1:08:45] exactly your question is solved, many

[1:08:47] people say that. My exact my question

[1:08:50] what I is it for, I got it the response.

[1:08:53] So you have to believe that.

[1:08:56] Uh are there any disadvantage in

[1:08:58] starting in starting Vedanta practice

[1:09:01] later on life? No, no, no. I didn't

[1:09:05] It can be done any any moment of time,

[1:09:07] no?

[1:09:08] Uh

[1:09:09] it even it is said

[1:09:11] is there any time for becoming a monk?

[1:09:14] Well, no, no, no, no. You can be monk

[1:09:16] when you are a

[1:09:18] uh a teenage boy uh

[1:09:21] or girl and then you can be 30 or in you

[1:09:24] can 60. Even there are two sunnas. When

[1:09:28] you are dying, that time you take ayu

[1:09:30] sunnas.

[1:09:31] Renunciation.

[1:09:33] There is no time.

[1:09:35] Anytime it's starting. Anytime is good

[1:09:37] start.

[1:09:38] So, start now.

[1:09:40] Does it just require more intense

[1:09:42] effort? Yes, we we do

[1:09:45] get experience of life to understand

[1:09:47] that the world cannot give the joy I am

[1:09:50] seeking for.

[1:09:51] Unless that experience comes, or that

[1:09:53] conviction comes, our search for joy in

[1:09:56] through the world and the senses will

[1:09:58] continue. I may say I don't want, but my

[1:10:01] mind goes

[1:10:02] silently and rolls around those things.

[1:10:05] Apparently, I am not taking rasgulla

[1:10:09] or ice cream.

[1:10:10] My diabetes.

[1:10:12] But when I see rasgulla, oh my god.

[1:10:15] I eat 10 times mentally.

[1:10:18] May be physically, you may take one

[1:10:20] piece, but mentally we take 10 times.

[1:10:24] So, that's the point.

[1:10:26] The attachment to the world and the

[1:10:28] sensitive experience should be

[1:10:30] detachment, but it it is a long process

[1:10:34] unless one's experience is over.

[1:10:37] We

[1:10:38] we have to go through the experience and

[1:10:40] then reason out. Oh, mind the one that I

[1:10:43] gave you

[1:10:44] that ice cream.

[1:10:47] But you are asking again again today?

[1:10:51] I like it. Okay, get it another time.

[1:10:55] And then again, say say say

[1:10:57] again again, mind will say it is good.

[1:10:59] It is good.

[1:11:00] So, we have to deal with the mind. Mind

[1:11:02] like a child.

[1:11:04] And the the mom love the mothers they

[1:11:07] make some

[1:11:08] deal with the children. Children will

[1:11:11] say, "I want this. I want mouse." They

[1:11:13] say, "You first study this, then you

[1:11:15] will get this. Then you do this, then

[1:11:18] you will do this." No,

[1:11:19] all condition. So, like that we have to

[1:11:21] play with our mind to

[1:11:24] take it to the something which is

[1:11:26] permanent.

[1:11:27] It is lifelong struggle. We'll have to

[1:11:29] do that.

[1:11:30] Uh okay, thank you all.

[1:11:32] Om Shanti Shanti Shantihi.

[1:11:37] Harihi Om Tat Sat Sri Ramakrishna

[1:11:41] Arpanamastu.

[1:11:43] Tomorrow Thursday, Maharajugananda Swami

[1:11:46] with the Swami's letters

[1:11:48] will be

[1:11:49] discussed.

[1:11:51] And this Sunday we have our Mother Kali

[1:11:53] Puja.

[1:11:54] It start at 10:00.

[1:11:56] But some of the volunteers if they need

[1:12:00] those who want to do they can just write

[1:12:03] your name or

[1:12:05] give that name

[1:12:07] Puja kitchen.

[1:12:09] The cooking will be done on

[1:12:11] and so many other things are around.

[1:12:14] >> You have to come at night for

[1:12:15] >> Right?

[1:12:16] >> 10:00 p.m. 10:00 p.m.

[1:12:17] >> 10:00 p.m.

[1:12:19] Nine? I didn't say nine. Did I say

[1:12:22] >> No, no, you said just you just said

[1:12:23] 10:00.

[1:12:25] >> Oh, yeah, what p.m. now? Uh night 10:00

[1:12:29] we start. It goes around 3:00.

[1:12:32] Three I think by 3:00, huh?

[1:12:34] >> 3:00 a.m. in the morning.

[1:12:35] >> Monday to Sunday to Monday. Two day

[1:12:37] Puja.

[1:12:41] >> But but but yes, in a simple sense that

[1:12:44] night 10:00 to morning 3:00 3:30.

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In this reading, Swami Sarvadevananda explains that Vedanta-style knowledge points to the Self as Brahman, while bhakti is devotion that dissolves the ego through supreme love. He argues the two lead to the same ultimate state, but bhakti is better suited to people who struggle to hold the Self-realization of knowledge steady in daily life.
The passage records Ramakrishna saying that in the Kali Yuga a person's life depends on food, and that the path of devotion prescribed by Narada is best for this age. Sarvadevananda connects this to modern life, where most of the day goes to earning a living and handling social and political pressures, leaving little time for sustained contemplation.
Sarvadevananda tells how Turiyananda, who had long affirmed that he was the Atman and not the body, ran from a crocodile while bathing and then went back into the water. The reading treats this return as the sign of someone fit for Vedanta, since he understood his fear as a bodily reaction rather than his identity.
In the passage, Ramakrishna contrasts ordinary food like gourd or pumpkin with the fruit of amrita, which he describes as immortality. He lists it as knowledge, love, discrimination and renunciation. Sarvadevananda treats the joke about sweets as lila, the divine play, which carries a serious lesson about what spiritual grace gives.
No. The text records the teachings and conversations of Sri Ramakrishna with his disciples, devotees and visitors, and it was recorded by Mahendranath Gupta, who wrote it under the pseudonym M. The Vedanta Society's reading uses this record as its source.
Sarvadevananda says the bhakti meant here is not the ordinary understanding of the word but supreme love, in which the devotee's ego dies. He presents it as a serious spiritual discipline that reaches the same ultimate state as the path of knowledge.

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