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Asking God for Help: Why Vague Prayer Keeps People Stuck

Lewis Howes
Lewis Howes
Oct 21, 2026
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Two men from Ohio sit down for a long conversation about the years when most people would have quit. One of them is a stand-up comedian with fourteen specials, an Emmy, a memoir called Nine Lives, No Wives, and 69 Concubines, and a Netflix podcast called According 2 Katt. The other is the host, Lewis Howes, who is also from Ohio and who, like his guest, left home at 13. Their exchange, recorded for The School of Greatness and posted to Howes's channel, moves from a teenage runaway's logic to a door-to-door salesman's rejection math to a comedian's theory of prayer. The thread that ties it together is a claim that sounds simple and turns out to be demanding: most people ask God for help in a way that makes it impossible to recognize the answer.

Across the conversation, the guest keeps returning to the same idea. Faith, as he describes it, is not a mood or a feeling of reassurance. It is a working method. You get specific about what you need, you read every no as information, and you keep your own effort in the game while trusting something larger to carry the rest. None of this is a slogan. It is built from specific stories, and the stories are worth taking seriously.

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Why did a 13-year-old leave home, and what did he learn from it?

The conversation opens on the detail that both men share: they left home at 13. Howes says he left because he did not feel emotionally safe where he was, and that he begged his parents to send him away. The guest's answer is more complicated. He is careful not to glamorize it. "It wasn't something that I would um suggest to others," he told Howes. "It was a horrible decision for anybody else to make. Um there aren't any 13-year-olds that are qualified to do it."

What interests him is the reasoning he used at the time. He had a religious background, and he drew on that tradition to decide he had the standing to act. In his telling, the logic ran like this: if the circumstances were as bad as he believed, he had the right to change them, and staying in a situation he did not agree with would be its own choice. He describes himself as "young enough to make a dumb mistake" but also "young enough to see if this works." He believed in God, and he admits to a sense that God had let him fail, a feeling he says he carried for most of his life. Even so, he reframes the decision as an early start rather than a loss: "I looked on it as um getting a head start."

The move here is worth noticing, because it recurs. He does not pretend the hard thing was easy, and he does not treat it as meaningless. He takes what happened and asks what it made possible.

What does it mean to believe you are favored by God?

Howes asks whether the guest always believed he was favored by God, the kind of conviction that makes a person less rattled by setbacks. The answer begins with a qualifier: "Well, I believe that you could be." What he is describing is less a settled identity than a posture of preparation. He says he tried to put himself in a position where he would be qualified for whatever good thing might come, and he did a great deal of reading to get there.

The reading shaped his sense of faith. He points out that the stories he loved all follow the same arc. "No matter how scared you are in the middle of the book, by the end of the book it's going to be worth it." He returns to the old image of the darkest hour: "It's darker and darker and darker. But it's not infinite. It can only get so dark before the light has to show up. It's in all the books."

When Howes presses on how someone trusts that they will be cared for in that dark stretch, the guest is precise about what he took from stories. He says he never read one where persistence failed to pay off, but the stories that moved him were about something else. "The stories that I read um were very specific that you don't know who you are. Everybody else knows already who you are. You don't know. And as the story progresses, you find out who you've been the entire time." The conclusion he draws is the one that anchors the whole talk: "The story is that um you're already enough. It's It's trying to do it as fast as you can figure out."

"I never I never thought that I needed to be more to be enough. And people were put in my life that just reinforced that."

Katt Williams, in conversation with Lewis Howes on The School of Greatness

What did meeting Prince at 12 teach about possibility?

The clearest illustration he offers is a childhood encounter. He met Prince in Dayton when he was 12, and the lesson he takes from it is about his own size. At that age he was worried he would stay short. He was already 5'5", and Prince was 5'3", and Prince was already a millionaire. "I met somebody shorter than me that was already a millionaire," he says.

Before that meeting, he had assumed that a growth spurt was almost guaranteed and that his body would eventually change on its own schedule. Meeting Prince forced a different question into the open. "It may never come. This may be what I am all the way through. Oh, that's all right, I guess. And you got this example of this guy who's uh doing it just fine." The point is not that size does not matter. It is that his sense of what he needed to be in order to succeed was not fixed by his body or by anyone else's expectations. He had already been shown a version of success that did not depend on the thing he feared lacking.

He then describes the stance that resulted, and it is the part of the conversation that most rewards slow reading. He did not count on himself alone, and he did not hand everything over to God either. "I was never fully counting on me. I was counting on my portion. I knew I had to do my portion, right? But I'm counting on the whole entity to pull me through." Effort and trust are not presented as competitors. They are two halves of one job.

Why is asking God for something specific the real mistake?

This is where the title's promise pays off. Asked how he approached prayer during his most financially desperate stretch, the guest does not talk about feeling uplifted. He talks about precision. "Financially, I was in such a poor position that I was willing to do whatever it took to live a good lifestyle and I knew that I would bend my morals more than I would like otherwise. And so I was asking him to put me in a position where I didn't have to worry about any of that and that it would meet my personal criteria for something that I could do well at."

Then he states the principle plainly: "So um I'm very specific in what I'm asking for so that I don't have to question whether something is God or whether some..." The sentence trails off in the transcript, but the logic is clear enough. A vague prayer, such as "help me," leaves you unable to tell whether an answer came. Any job offer, any delay, any stroke of luck could be claimed as a response, and any disappointment could be read as silence. A specific request defines what success looks like in advance. It sets criteria, which means you can recognize a match when one shows up and refuse a counterfeit when it does not.

The guest pairs this with a request for purpose rather than rescue. His stated approach is to say, in effect, here is my situation, show me my purpose. The distinction matters. He is not asking for a particular outcome dressed up as spirituality. He is asking to be pointed toward the work he was built for, and then doing that work.

How should you read rejection?

The sales years give the talk its most practical material. Howes asks how he handled being turned down, and the guest reframes the experience. "Everything changed once I realized when they're saying no, they're just saying I didn't do a sufficient enough job." Rejection, in this telling, is not a verdict on the self. It is a report on the attempt, one that tells you what to adjust.

That is why the guest calls it feedback. "So, it's feedback," he says, and he is clear that he does not treat every no as the last word on a person or a path. He also talks about how quickly you can learn to tell whether a pitch has landed, which lets you move on instead of lingering. Paired with the hurdler's image he opens with, the idea sharpens: an obstacle is not a wall you have been stopped by, but the thing that gives you something to jump over.

Here the conversation touches a theme he returns to in other ways. He describes a comparison between two kinds of mindset, one tied to scarcity and one to abundance, and he is wary of a numbers-only view of progress that treats each refusal as a small defeat. The reframe does not make rejection pleasant. It makes it usable.

What is the role of patience and time?

Near the middle of the conversation, the guest names patience as a hard-won lesson. He talks about planting something whose results you will not see for a long time, and he describes realizing that work he did two decades earlier is only now showing up in his life. "That seed is not going to do" is as far as the transcript carries that thought, but the point is consistent with everything around it: faith asks you to keep doing the part that is yours while the harvest runs on a timeline you did not set.

This ties back to the book and the story arc. The narratives he trusts do not promise that things will be easy or quick. They promise that the trials are part of the plot, and that by the last page the person has become who they already were.

Where to go from here

The most useful takeaway from this conversation is a set of questions you can ask about your own prayers and your own setbacks. Before you ask for help, can you name what help would look like in concrete terms? If you received an answer tomorrow, would you know it was an answer? When you hear no, what specifically did you learn? And are you holding your own effort in your hands while you trust the rest to something larger?

Katt Williams offers these ideas as lived experience rather than doctrine. He is candid about the parts he regrets, careful not to glamorize the choices he made at 13, and direct about the difference between a request that can be recognized and one that cannot. To go deeper, watch the full conversation on Lewis Howes's channel, read Nine Lives, No Wives, and 69 Concubines for the longer version of his story, and listen to According 2 Katt. for more of his voice. The conversation's core instruction is worth taking into your own week: stop asking God for a vague rescue, and start asking for something you would recognize if it arrived.

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[0:00] If you are hurdler, you don't [music]

[0:02] look at obstacles the same way. It's

[0:06] just another opportunity to jump higher.

[0:09] Everything changed once I realized when

[0:12] they're saying no, they're just saying I

[0:15] didn't do a sufficient enough job. So my

[0:18] thing to God is here's my situation.

[0:21] Show me my purpose.

[0:23] >> One of the most iconic comedians and

[0:25] Emmy winner, the one and only Katt

[0:27] Williams.

[0:27] >> You were perfectly made by a perfect

[0:31] [music] God who also created a perfect

[0:35] universe for you [music] to exist in. He

[0:39] gave me something that I already loved.

[0:42] Like I already loved to laugh.

[0:45] When he gave me the chance to be

[0:46] involved in comedy, okay, well, all I

[0:49] would like to do is have a real

[0:53] connection with the people. Yeah, it is

[0:55] always darkest

[0:57] before the dawn, but it's not infinite.

[1:00] It can only get so dark before the light

[1:02] has to show up. Now is the time.

[1:06] >> I don't know if people ask you these

[1:07] questions, Katt.

[1:08] >> Never in life. Never.

[1:09] >> know if they do or I don't know if

[1:10] >> Never in life. Only at the school of

[1:12] greatness.

[1:13] Um

[1:15] >> We have a few things in common. I was

[1:17] telling you beforehand, both born and

[1:20] raised in Ohio.

[1:21] >> Let's go.

[1:22] >> an Ohio Dayton guy, right, for a while?

[1:24] Cincinnati, Dayton. I grew up in

[1:26] >> To this day.

[1:27] >> a small town of Delaware, Ohio. I don't

[1:29] know if

[1:30] >> Come on, Delaware.

[1:31] >> I don't know if you ever knew I ever

[1:32] went through that small town.

[1:33] >> You're the most famous person.

[1:35] >> From Delaware, Ohio.

[1:36] >> Delaware, Ohio.

[1:37] >> 20,000 people, right?

[1:38] >> You did it.

[1:39] >> And another thing is we both left home,

[1:42] if I'm correct, at 13.

[1:44] >> Correct.

[1:45] >> And for me, I left home because I didn't

[1:48] feel emotionally safe in the environment

[1:50] that I was in. I begged my parents to

[1:52] send me away.

[1:53] >> Okay.

[1:53] >> And it was a big turning point in my

[1:56] life by leaving.

[1:57] >> Mhm.

[1:58] And I'm curious, why did you leave home

[2:00] at 13? And what was the big takeaway you

[2:04] gained from that experience?

[2:06] >> If I was 6'4, I would have left at 9.

[2:09] >> [laughter]

[2:12] >> I was trying to wait on my growth spurt.

[2:15] It just never came.

[2:16] >> [laughter]

[2:17] >> Um

[2:20] >> Well, that's great. Both from Ohio.

[2:23] Both left early.

[2:24] >> What was the reason why you left and the

[2:26] biggest thing that you learned from

[2:28] leaving home at 13?

[2:31] >> It wasn't something that I would um

[2:35] suggest to others. And

[2:37] when you

[2:39] read it in the book, it's a I don't

[2:41] glamorize it. It was a terrible

[2:43] situation. It was a horrible decision

[2:46] for anybody else to make. Um

[2:50] there aren't any 13-year-olds that are

[2:54] qualified to do it. Um

[2:57] On the other hand, I had a religious

[3:00] background and Jesus left home when he

[3:03] was 13. And uh

[3:06] the Jewish culture teaches that you're a

[3:08] man at 13. And so, I had enough

[3:12] precedents in my own

[3:14] study

[3:16] to understand that

[3:19] if things were really as bad as I was

[3:22] making them out to be, I had every right

[3:26] to change it.

[3:28] And that um

[3:31] if I continued to show up to a

[3:34] circumstance I didn't agree with.

[3:38] So, I was young enough to make a dumb

[3:40] mistake, but I was also young enough to

[3:44] see if this works. And uh

[3:48] yeah, I believed in God, so I had this

[3:50] false sense of he let me fail. Really at

[3:54] 13?

[3:56] Yeah. Yeah, my whole life.

[3:58] >> Wow.

[3:58] >> Yeah, but

[4:00] that's one of the best things about the

[4:02] book is that even if you're an atheist,

[4:05] reading the book may not make you

[4:08] believe in God, but you will um

[4:12] believe in the belief in God.

[4:14] >> Mhm.

[4:16] >> And it's been proven that that's a

[4:19] thing, you know?

[4:21] So,

[4:22] uh

[4:23] yeah, even then I didn't really

[4:27] look at it as a negative. I looked on it

[4:30] as um

[4:31] getting a head start.

[4:33] >> I've heard you say before that you're

[4:34] favored by God.

[4:36] And a lot of things don't really kind of

[4:37] stress you out or worry you out because

[4:39] you are favored by God. Did you always

[4:41] believe that, or is that something more

[4:43] later in your life that you started to

[4:44] believe?

[4:46] >> Well, I believe that you could be.

[4:48] >> Mhm.

[4:49] >> And I was just trying to put myself in a

[4:51] position where if it was possible

[4:54] that I would be qualified for it, you

[4:57] know?

[4:58] And um

[5:00] I had just done so much reading.

[5:03] And uh

[5:05] that's how all books go, mhm. You know?

[5:07] That's part of a good story

[5:10] is that

[5:12] we're able to see

[5:14] the trials and tribulations that this

[5:16] person has to go through

[5:18] and how

[5:20] no matter how scared you are in the

[5:22] middle of the book,

[5:24] by the end of the book

[5:26] it's going to be worth it.

[5:27] >> Mhm.

[5:28] >> Um

[5:30] it gets better. Um

[5:33] things work out that once looked dark,

[5:37] and you start understanding that

[5:40] yeah, it is always darkest

[5:42] before the dawn. Right? That's part of

[5:45] how it goes. It's darker and darker and

[5:47] darker."

[5:48] But, it's not infinite.

[5:50] It can only get so dark before the light

[5:53] has to show up. It's in all the books.

[5:55] >> Mhm.

[5:56] >> And so,

[5:57] >> But, how do you how do you how do you

[5:58] have faith or trust that

[6:00] you're going to be taken care of

[6:01] spiritually, physically, emotionally at

[6:04] some point in the future

[6:06] when you're going through a very dark

[6:07] time?

[6:09] >> I never read a book where it didn't

[6:10] work.

[6:13] I didn't read the story of um

[6:17] the person who

[6:20] didn't work the hardest and

[6:23] being the most successful.

[6:26] I didn't.

[6:27] I might have believed that had I read

[6:29] those stories, but those aren't the

[6:31] stories

[6:32] that I read. The stories that I read um

[6:36] were very specific that

[6:39] you don't know

[6:41] who you are.

[6:42] >> Mhm.

[6:43] >> That's all. Everybody else knows already

[6:46] who you are. You You don't know. And as

[6:49] the story progresses, you find out who

[6:52] you've been the entire time.

[6:55] And it doesn't matter if the story is

[6:58] Spider-Man or Superman or

[7:01] I don't ever hear that.

[7:03] That's the story. The story is that um

[7:07] you're already enough. It's It's

[7:10] trying to do it as fast as you can

[7:13] figure out.

[7:14] >> Did you ever believe you weren't enough

[7:16] or have doubts about your

[7:17] >> I never I never thought that I needed to

[7:20] be

[7:22] more to be enough. And

[7:25] people were put in my life that just

[7:29] reinforced that. Like, I met

[7:32] Prince young enough that

[7:35] right in the time of my life when I was

[7:37] going to be worried about my size,

[7:40] um

[7:42] I met somebody

[7:43] shorter than me that was already a

[7:45] millionaire.

[7:46] >> Was he shorter than Prince?

[7:47] >> Yeah, yeah.

[7:48] >> Cuz you were what, 12 when you met him?

[7:50] >> Mhm.

[7:51] Yeah, but I was already 5' 5" and he was

[7:53] already 5' 3".

[7:54] >> You met him in Ohio, too, right?

[7:56] >> Mhm.

[7:56] >> That's crazy. So you

[7:58] >> So you met him in Dayton, Prince.

[7:59] >> Yes.

[7:59] >> When you were 12.

[8:00] >> Yeah.

[8:00] >> And what did meeting him when he was

[8:02] successful and a millionaire teach you

[8:04] about possibilities?

[8:06] >> Um

[8:07] >> [sighs and gasps]

[8:08] >> up until that point, I was assuming that

[8:12] you know, certain things were going to

[8:13] happen. Of course, I'm going to I'm not

[8:15] going to stay this size forever.

[8:16] >> Mhm.

[8:17] >> Like this growth spurt is almost a

[8:19] guaranteed thing. It happens to

[8:20] everybody.

[8:21] >> 14, 16, it's coming to me.

[8:22] >> So, I'm going to I'm going to be 5' 5"

[8:24] and I'm going to wake up

[8:26] different, you know? But meeting Prince

[8:28] made me come to grips with

[8:31] oh, it may never come.

[8:32] >> Mhm.

[8:33] >> This may be what I am

[8:35] all the way through.

[8:38] Oh, that's all right, I guess.

[8:40] And you got this example of this guy

[8:43] who's uh doing it just fine.

[8:45] >> He figured it out, yeah.

[8:46] >> Right. So, things like that would happen

[8:49] to where I didn't

[8:52] like I was never fully counting on me. I

[8:55] was counting on

[8:57] my portion. I I knew I had to do my

[9:00] portion, right? But

[9:02] I'm counting on the whole entity to pull

[9:04] me through.

[9:05] >> Really?

[9:06] >> Yeah, the whole time.

[9:07] >> So, did you have like a Was this a daily

[9:09] thought process where you were just

[9:11] like, "Okay, I'm going to figure out

[9:12] what I want, you know, whether it be

[9:14] getting into the comedy scene

[9:17] and I'm going to go pursue this path and

[9:19] I'm going to put in my effort and my

[9:20] part,

[9:22] but I know God's going to carry me

[9:23] through and create the opportunities

[9:25] that are meant for me." Was this

[9:27] something you were thinking or feeling

[9:29] or was it a different approach?

[9:31] >> Financially, I was in such a poor

[9:33] position that I was willing to do

[9:35] whatever it took uh

[9:39] to live a good lifestyle and I knew that

[9:43] I would

[9:45] bend my morals more than I would like

[9:48] otherwise. And so

[9:51] I was asking him to put me in a position

[9:54] where I didn't have to worry about any

[9:57] of that and that it would meet my

[9:59] personal criteria for

[10:02] something that I could do well at. So

[10:06] um I'm very

[10:08] specific in what I'm asking for

[10:12] so that I don't have to question whether

[10:15] something is God or whether something is

[10:18] chance

[10:20] or happenstance because I've asked

[10:23] specifically

[10:25] for something that I did not have and

[10:28] had no access to.

[10:30] And if I privately have that

[10:32] conversation

[10:34] and then 2 weeks later it materializes

[10:38] I'm not going to hesitate from letting

[10:40] people know that that's how it happened.

[10:42] >> Wow.

[10:44] >> Yeah.

[10:44] >> Was there ever a time where you feel

[10:45] like you were working

[10:48] or going about life against your morals

[10:50] or against what God what you felt like

[10:52] God wanted for you

[10:54] to make money or to create opportunities

[10:56] or just a season that you were doing

[10:58] that?

[10:59] >> I wasn't sure if I had ever been on the

[11:02] right path exactly.

[11:06] But I had already read the prodigal son

[11:09] story.

[11:10] So I understood that

[11:14] um

[11:16] God doesn't have unrealistic

[11:18] expectations of me and uh

[11:22] I just felt like there was something out

[11:23] there for me and that if I came across

[11:26] it I would know.

[11:28] And that if it was the right path that

[11:31] he would make certain things happen to

[11:33] let me know

[11:35] this is the path to continue on.

[11:37] >> Is that signs or synchronicities or

[11:40] signals of like this is the right path

[11:42] or would it just be a knowing that hey,

[11:44] you're supposed to go through this door

[11:46] or this opportunity or how would you

[11:47] know?

[11:49] >> Well, because I I get introduced to drug

[11:52] dealing because it's a profitable thing.

[11:55] You can take this that cost $100 and you

[11:58] can make $700 off of that. What? Oh,

[12:01] well.

[12:03] >> Yeah, it's easy.

[12:04] >> need to do that very long. I just need

[12:05] to do that for a little bit. I'll be in

[12:07] an entirely different situation and I

[12:09] can get out of here.

[12:11] But I don't want to live a life of

[12:13] crime. Like that's not

[12:15] my actual spirit. That's not what type

[12:18] of person I am.

[12:20] So, my thing to God is

[12:24] here's my situation.

[12:26] You're already looking at it. You see

[12:28] that I got a lot of opportunities to

[12:31] make money out here.

[12:33] Um what I need is something that I can

[12:37] do without any of that.

[12:40] And

[12:41] be able to

[12:43] get what I need out of life through

[12:46] this.

[12:47] Show me my purpose

[12:50] if it's not going to be any any of this

[12:52] because I'm not going to be in a bad

[12:55] situation. I'm not going to be out here

[12:57] without

[12:59] um as many opportunities as there are

[13:02] for me to get it. I'm going to be trying

[13:04] to get it. But if you'll show me

[13:06] something that I can do and have

[13:09] the

[13:11] a good guy.

[13:13] I'd love it.

[13:13] >> Yeah.

[13:14] >> And I'll show you my appreciation and

[13:16] how hard I go for it.

[13:17] >> Really? So, how old were you

[13:19] >> That's what he gave me.

[13:20] >> How old were you when that kind of came

[13:22] to you? You feel like

[13:23] >> No, I

[13:24] I'm I'm not asking for that until these

[13:28] this situation. So, I guess I was

[13:31] 20. Wow.

[13:34] >> And when you when it came to you the

[13:35] opportunities then,

[13:37] how did you show your appreciation for

[13:38] God? Was it through your work ethic? Was

[13:40] it through

[13:41] generosity? Was it through how

[13:44] you wanted to shine your light and your

[13:45] spirit? How were you thinking about

[13:47] that?

[13:48] >> Well, first of all, I he gave me

[13:50] something that I already loved. Like, I

[13:53] already loved to laugh.

[13:56] That was

[13:57] a great thing in my life is just being

[13:59] able to laugh. And so, I loved comedy

[14:02] already. So, when he gave me the chance

[14:05] to be involved in comedy, okay, well,

[14:08] all I would like to do is

[14:11] I would like to do stand-up and I would

[14:13] like to do a brand of stand-up

[14:16] where I can have a real connection with

[14:19] the people and we can talk about all the

[14:22] topics that there are to discuss and um

[14:27] and hopefully it'll give me an

[14:28] opportunity

[14:30] that if I know something new or if I

[14:33] learn something new, that I'll be able

[14:36] to

[14:37] get that to as many people as possible.

[14:41] >> you know.

[14:42] >> Yeah, and so

[14:43] if any of this is true,

[14:46] then I can't be a mediocre comedian.

[14:50] >> Mhm. You have to be exceptional.

[14:51] >> I I or I have to stink.

[14:54] >> Right.

[14:54] >> I I have to be one of the worst

[14:57] comedians

[14:58] >> or one of the greatest.

[14:59] >> Or I got to

[15:01] I got to have something.

[15:03] >> Wow.

[15:04] Yeah, I was telling you I watched your

[15:06] your recent special on Netflix, which is

[15:07] hilarious. We were laughing out loud on

[15:09] a lot of the different things. Uh you

[15:11] talk about it you know, in your special,

[15:14] but also in your book

[15:16] um about you going in to get information

[15:20] and and wanting to share it with others

[15:22] of what you're learning about every

[15:23] situation, about comedy, about life,

[15:26] about the industries, things like that.

[15:28] You know, you've been the voice of truth

[15:30] in a lot of ways, specifically in the

[15:31] last few years, even more so.

[15:33] What is being the voice of truth cost

[15:36] you in your life? And

[15:38] would you ever give that up?

[15:40] >> As far as what it cost you, there's

[15:42] going to be

[15:43] bad

[15:45] um

[15:47] there's going to be unfavorable reaction

[15:51] to telling the truth. Anybody that is

[15:54] making

[15:56] um a living off of the deception that

[15:59] you're exposing.

[16:01] Uh

[16:02] but

[16:03] it's very rewarding.

[16:05] >> Really? And I guess how do you protect

[16:07] your spirit or your soul or your energy

[16:11] when you're sharing

[16:13] you're being a truth-teller

[16:15] and you know there's going to be some

[16:17] potential

[16:18] attacks or

[16:20] people upset or people questioning you

[16:22] or

[16:23] like how do you protect your own

[16:25] energy from that space?

[16:28] >> I don't mix my energy and my

[16:31] soul is never in question in

[16:35] this this is

[16:38] what I do for a living. I'm a surgeon,

[16:41] so I

[16:44] dissect

[16:45] I remove what needs to be removed

[16:50] cleanse the area

[16:52] sew it back up. That's the end of it. Um

[16:55] this is part of my job and this is

[16:59] the best part of the job. And it only

[17:03] works if you're telling the truth.

[17:06] It only works if

[17:08] um

[17:09] if you get a chance to expose something

[17:12] that a group of people are actively

[17:15] trying to

[17:17] Yeah, it all it only

[17:19] You can immediately tell if you've hit

[17:22] that nerve and if your job is to hit the

[17:25] nerve, then you

[17:27] you're going to notice, but yeah, very

[17:29] rewarding because um

[17:32] I was willing to do this if there was no

[17:34] appetite for it. So, I'm saying to find

[17:37] out that there's a whole

[17:39] segment of the population that

[17:42] absolutely wants to know the truth about

[17:45] everything and they want to know

[17:48] who's telling what lie and um you know

[17:53] like

[17:55] It's very rewarding.

[17:56] >> Wow.

[17:57] >> Very rewarding.

[17:58] >> I mean, what was the biggest reward you

[18:00] gained from continuing to open up then

[18:02] for yourself?

[18:06] Is it the peace you have? Is it knowing

[18:07] you're helping others? Is it

[18:10] >> No, the people that don't like me avoid

[18:13] me.

[18:14] >> That's the greatest reward

[18:15] >> And and the

[18:18] level of people that want to engage with

[18:21] me

[18:23] are the best people in the world.

[18:26] >> So, when some of the world calls you

[18:28] crazy, then who's in your corner?

[18:31] Who who who are the people that are in

[18:33] your corners? Are the people that love

[18:35] the truth or

[18:36] >> Knowing yourself

[18:38] is helpful no matter

[18:41] what job you're doing. Yeah. If you're

[18:42] an athlete or artist,

[18:45] it doesn't really matter.

[18:47] Um

[18:48] You should be very very clear with

[18:51] yourself about what your strengths are

[18:54] and what your weaknesses are. And the

[18:57] closer you get to knowing that the more

[18:59] times you'll be able to access what it

[19:02] is you're trying to access

[19:05] out of yourself. So, um

[19:07] I'm not in any way

[19:10] like I can't I can't be peer pressured.

[19:13] They're like um

[19:16] Somebody

[19:18] calling me crazy doesn't

[19:20] >> Doesn't affect you or doesn't

[19:22] >> I'm smarter than the person saying it.

[19:24] Uh

[19:25] I If I don't know that why do I expect

[19:29] them to know?

[19:29] >> Sure.

[19:30] >> Right?

[19:30] >> Sure.

[19:30] >> And uh innovation and creativity

[19:35] can often be

[19:38] misidentified as crazy. And I understand

[19:41] that. You know, um

[19:44] I think that's why we came up with the

[19:45] word eccentric.

[19:47] >> Mhm.

[19:47] >> Uh

[19:48] because crazy is when it doesn't work.

[19:51] >> [laughter]

[19:52] >> Eccentric is when it's very successful.

[19:55] >> Yeah, you took a risk, you had courage

[19:56] to put something out there and it

[19:58] worked.

[19:59] >> Right.

[19:59] >> Right.

[20:00] >> Or maybe a lot of people wouldn't try

[20:01] that or something.

[20:02] >> All entrepreneurs

[20:04] >> Mhm.

[20:05] >> come to grips with this.

[20:06] >> Yeah.

[20:08] >> It's Yeah, nobody needs your

[20:09] involvement.

[20:11] They've got enough people selling

[20:13] hamburgers already.

[20:14] >> Yeah. Yeah.

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[21:17] season of your life is your greatest

[21:18] strength and one of your weaknesses

[21:21] maybe you're still working to improve or

[21:23] just aware of?

[21:25] >> I will be working on myself till the end

[21:28] and I'm imperfect. So, I have a

[21:31] humongous list.

[21:33] >> [laughter]

[21:33] >> Uh and it's taking me all all my life

[21:36] just to

[21:38] work through the Ten Commandments and

[21:40] try to nail down as much as I can and

[21:43] make adjustments and but what I what I

[21:46] found is

[21:47] you're never not rewarded for that work.

[21:52] It doesn't matter if the listener or

[21:54] viewer starts today.

[21:57] Like you're immediately going to see the

[22:00] results. Like it's it's better than the

[22:02] gym.

[22:03] Like the gym keeps going because it

[22:06] keeps working. Like if you keep going in

[22:09] there lifting

[22:11] you're going to get better looking

[22:14] and it's going to work even for you no

[22:16] matter where you're starting at and in

[22:18] life

[22:19] it's the same thing with working on

[22:21] yourself. Like um

[22:23] at some point you appreciate how many

[22:26] flaws you have

[22:28] because you realize

[22:31] if I fix two of these, I'm a whole

[22:34] different creature, you know? And and it

[22:37] always works. You always come out on the

[22:40] other side better. Like

[22:43] my thing now is

[22:45] uh my last lesson was uh patience, mhm,

[22:48] you know?

[22:49] And uh as painful as it is, you learn

[22:52] patience

[22:54] um by being disgruntled for long periods

[22:58] of time.

[22:59] >> Frustrated and angry and you're

[23:00] >> Just going just going where is the

[23:02] payoff?

[23:03] And yeah, you could be upset

[23:06] and uh

[23:08] let that go the that way, but um

[23:11] when you start looking at yourself like

[23:13] a farmer and understanding how crops go,

[23:16] you learn to understand how much of your

[23:18] time is just trusting the process. That

[23:21] little list doesn't have anything to do

[23:23] with you.

[23:24] You know, your job was to plant the

[23:26] seeds.

[23:28] Yeah, and it's going to be a long long

[23:30] time before you see the benefits of this

[23:33] and it's going to be

[23:36] Yeah.

[23:37] >> What's a seed that you planted 10, 15,

[23:39] 20 years ago that you're just now seeing

[23:41] the fruits of?

[23:42] >> I don't really know how to answer that

[23:44] because I planted all the seeds I came

[23:48] across.

[23:49] Now, part of that is probably because of

[23:52] how deficient I was, you know.

[23:54] >> You're a lot of everything. Yeah, yeah.

[23:55] >> Well, I'm saying everything that I ever

[23:58] learned

[24:00] from a person or from a book or

[24:03] from any source,

[24:05] the first thing I did was put it into

[24:08] practice in my life so that I could

[24:11] verify that it was real, you know? So,

[24:15] having done that so many times, like

[24:20] I guess that's the part I enjoy the most

[24:22] is that very rarely

[24:25] do you plant a seed

[24:27] and nothing happens.

[24:29] >> It might just take time.

[24:30] >> There There's more of a chance that

[24:32] you'll forget where you planted the

[24:33] seed.

[24:34] >> Or when you planted it. Yeah, yeah.

[24:36] >> That seed is not going to do

[24:40] what it's supposed to do. And then it

[24:43] just

[24:44] I make sure our appreciation for God go

[24:47] up

[24:48] so much more because you understand

[24:51] what's behind things and

[24:54] yeah, every everything that you learn

[24:56] just for further reinforces. Mhm.

[25:00] Um

[25:00] what you were wondering

[25:02] I found.

[25:04] >> There's a great quote in your book on uh

[25:06] page 116

[25:09] uh of your new book called Nine Lives No

[25:12] Wives and 69 Concubines.

[25:14] Um the quote is learn to embrace what's

[25:17] meant for you because the universe gets

[25:19] real petty when you keep dodging your

[25:21] own blessings.

[25:23] How much do you think about gratitude

[25:25] and appreciation in your day-to-day life

[25:27] when the universe is bringing you a

[25:29] beautiful opportunity or also maybe a

[25:32] beautiful obstacle in your way?

[25:35] >> If you are hurdler

[25:38] you don't look at obstacles the same way

[25:41] than somebody else would. You know?

[25:46] So

[25:47] >> Interesting.

[25:48] >> I I have changed my frame of mind to the

[25:52] point where I don't

[25:55] I don't see the negative first. It's

[25:58] just almost impossible for me to do.

[26:01] Um

[26:02] So even with the hurdles and the

[26:07] things that pop up it's just another

[26:10] opportunity to

[26:12] jump higher.

[26:14] And that's the goal is that you're

[26:17] supposed to jump higher.

[26:19] And um it keeps you from being

[26:21] lackadaisical. It keeps you from being

[26:24] happy with where you are

[26:27] when you know that

[26:29] you can do better.

[26:31] You know? And so

[26:33] I appreciate that.

[26:34] >> Did you ever have a scarcity or poverty

[26:37] mindset or did you always have a kind of

[26:39] an abundance growth mindset approach to

[26:42] life?

[26:43] >> As a proud American

[26:45] um

[26:46] when you're young

[26:49] well, let me just speak for me.

[26:50] I was interested in finding out why are

[26:54] we the greatest country in the world?

[26:57] What what what makes us so different

[26:59] from other

[27:00] cultures? Like why why are we so

[27:02] steadfast on that? What what are the

[27:06] things and um

[27:08] one of the greatest things about being

[27:11] an American is

[27:13] you really believe in this country that

[27:17] you can make

[27:20] tomorrow better than today was and that

[27:25] whoever outworks the other guy, that's

[27:29] who wins.

[27:30] And um that was one of my first lessons

[27:35] in this country is that it seemed to me

[27:38] that in every situation

[27:41] the hardest worker wins.

[27:44] Both great guys, both great teams,

[27:48] both great situations, but

[27:51] if it's ever here and here,

[27:54] it's uh who worked

[27:57] who's the hardest worker.

[27:59] Yeah, and so and my whole life it seemed

[28:02] I was selling something. Whether it was

[28:04] religion or candy or

[28:07] books and magazines. I I I because it

[28:10] was something that um always worked,

[28:13] never failed.

[28:15] You could get something at this price

[28:17] and you could get a better price for it

[28:20] if you were willing to

[28:22] get it out there and um

[28:25] >> Weren't you a door-to-door salesman for

[28:26] a while, too? And the top seller in the

[28:28] company or in the region or

[28:29] >> I had the ability to

[28:32] um

[28:32] not look at the negative parts of

[28:34] things.

[28:36] And and um

[28:37] by removing the negative out of

[28:39] situations, it just makes them clearer,

[28:41] right? So, I found out that sales is a

[28:45] numbers game.

[28:47] And so that would mean

[28:49] you have to get told no

[28:52] 300 times to get 30 yeses.

[28:55] >> Wow.

[28:56] Well, hey, just keep showing up then.

[28:58] >> Are you sure?

[29:00] Because I really just want to know if

[29:01] that's the case. Because I'm not

[29:03] bothered by no's. I'm especially not

[29:05] bothered by no's if that's what I

[29:07] collect for a living.

[29:09] >> Mhm.

[29:09] >> All I know is

[29:12] does 900

[29:14] no's equal 90 yeses?

[29:17] Cuz I'm going for 90.

[29:19] >> Mhm.

[29:20] >> You know?

[29:21] >> How many houses to go to?

[29:23] I'll show up.

[29:24] >> No, no, no. I'm going to all of the

[29:25] houses.

[29:26] >> Right, right. Yeah.

[29:27] >> Because I don't I don't make a

[29:29] distinction.

[29:30] >> Uh-huh.

[29:30] >> I need to hit 900 houses.

[29:34] I'm trusting 90 and above.

[29:37] >> Oh.

[29:38] What was the greatest lesson that

[29:39] door-to-door sales taught you about life

[29:41] for yourself?

[29:42] >> That.

[29:44] Mhm.

[29:45] That. And

[29:46] >> cuz a lot of people get discouraged when

[29:47] they hear one no or they fail once or it

[29:49] doesn't work out or whatever. They go on

[29:52] stage and no one claps for them or

[29:54] didn't work and then they kind of stop.

[29:57] So did this teach you to just keep going

[29:59] until you got the yeses?

[30:01] >> No. It taught me how much I

[30:04] appreciate the yeses.

[30:06] >> Uh You know?

[30:11] >> It made the yeses so much

[30:12] >> Oh, yeah.

[30:13] >> more

[30:15] meaningful.

[30:15] >> Mhm.

[30:16] >> Yes, that. So

[30:19] then you don't look at rejection the

[30:21] same.

[30:21] >> Mhm.

[30:22] >> You know? You'll kind of look at it with

[30:24] a little bit of pity.

[30:27] You know?

[30:28] >> How did you not tie your self-worth

[30:30] to other people's no's or rejections or

[30:34] doors not opening for you when you

[30:35] wanted them to? How did you not tie your

[30:37] self-worth to that no at that moment?

[30:40] >> Because I already had my self-worth

[30:43] attached to a yes.

[30:44] >> Mhm. Even in times where you didn't feel

[30:46] the yeses were coming or they're

[30:48] didn't feel like

[30:49] >> I'm doing it wrong.

[30:50] >> Ah. How so?

[30:52] >> My Everything changed once I realized

[30:55] when they're saying no,

[30:58] they're just saying

[31:00] I didn't do a good enough job. Whatever

[31:02] I needed to say, I didn't say it.

[31:04] >> Mhm. So, it's feedback.

[31:06] >> However I should have been standing, I

[31:08] wasn't standing like that.

[31:09] >> Interesting.

[31:11] >> The look on my face when the lady opened

[31:14] the door,

[31:15] that should have been better. Because

[31:17] this is

[31:19] first impressions. And so, that in turn

[31:23] helped me in comedy.

[31:26] Because they're never wrong.

[31:28] >> The audience?

[31:29] >> The audience. The audience is never

[31:31] wrong.

[31:31] >> Interesting.

[31:32] >> They don't know how to be wrong.

[31:34] They're brought in for their opinion.

[31:37] Their opinion is absolute.

[31:39] >> Mhm.

[31:40] >> If it were funny, they would have

[31:42] laughed.

[31:43] >> Right.

[31:44] >> Right?

[31:45] >> if you thought it was funny and they

[31:46] didn't?

[31:47] >> I don't have an opinion. I only have

[31:49] their opinion.

[31:50] >> Interesting.

[31:51] >> I'm not

[31:53] counting on anything

[31:55] that hasn't happened already. So, I've

[31:58] I've done these jokes

[32:00] in a hundred cities before I shoot this

[32:03] special.

[32:03] >> Wow.

[32:04] >> So, what is it for me to be figuring

[32:06] out? I know it's funny cuz it's in

[32:09] there.

[32:09] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[32:10] You've already tested it.

[32:11] >> If there was any

[32:14] If it wasn't funny, I would have just

[32:15] took it out.

[32:16] >> Yeah.

[32:18] >> Only funny stuff stays there.

[32:20] >> Interesting. When you're trying

[32:22] something new on stage that you think

[32:24] this is really funny, like this is I'm

[32:26] going to get the laugh right away, and

[32:27] maybe it doesn't work in one area

[32:30] of the world, but then it works in

[32:31] another area, or maybe it just never

[32:33] works. Does it affect your self-belief

[32:36] in your creativity or your material cuz

[32:38] you thought it was funny and others

[32:40] didn't? Or how do you navigate that if

[32:42] you don't get the laugh?

[32:44] >> I'm not good enough to be able to take

[32:45] it for granted like that. Like um

[32:48] >> What do you mean?

[32:49] >> Like on any joke, I have to have laughed

[32:53] at it personally in order for it to make

[32:56] it to the paper.

[32:58] Right?

[33:00] So, the person I did consult already

[33:03] thought this was funny.

[33:05] If I can't figure out how to make it be

[33:08] funny to you,

[33:10] that's a me problem.

[33:12] And so, that's what I'm doing when I'm

[33:15] not on stage is I'm putting in the work

[33:17] >> Wow.

[33:18] >> to make sure those things don't happen.

[33:20] So, I'm going to tell this joke to

[33:23] myself 35 times in this mirror.

[33:27] >> Really?

[33:28] >> Until it gets funny to me.

[33:30] >> Really? It tells funny to you first.

[33:33] >> I can't afford to deliver it if it's not

[33:36] funny.

[33:36] >> Wow.

[33:37] >> So, the whole part where you, oh, you

[33:39] tell a joke and what if they don't

[33:41] laugh? I I would be horrified.

[33:44] >> Really?

[33:44] >> Because what have I been doing? I'm in

[33:46] charge of when the jokes come out.

[33:49] >> W- Wow.

[33:50] >> So, you know.

[33:51] >> So, you don't just think, oh, I got this

[33:53] idea. I'm going to go test it out on

[33:54] stage at this small little, you know,

[33:56] gig that I've got or I'm going to show

[33:57] up and just test material. Let's see if

[33:59] this works. Or you say, you never even

[34:02] do that. You say, I'm going to know this

[34:04] works in the mirror first, test it with

[34:06] someone else one-on-one before I bring

[34:09] it out to test it, I guess, on a stage.

[34:13] >> Yeah.

[34:13] >> Interesting. Cuz I I hear a lot of

[34:16] comedians say, oh, I'm just going to go

[34:17] try material out. Maybe it's a smaller

[34:19] audience or maybe it's not my main gig

[34:21] and it's I do a 10-minute set or

[34:23] something to test it instead of testing

[34:26] it on themselves first.

[34:28] >> The longer you go in this business, you

[34:30] start realizing a formula for

[34:33] everything.

[34:34] >> Mhm.

[34:35] >> And um your job is to keep nailing the

[34:38] formula, right? There are certain words

[34:41] that are funnier than other words. There

[34:44] are

[34:46] different cadences that are

[34:49] uh funnier than others.

[34:51] Um

[34:53] part of you being a writer

[34:57] is

[34:59] you you're the one with the wand in your

[35:01] hand, Mr. Magician. You see what I'm

[35:03] saying? Our job is to make the magic,

[35:06] you know? And so

[35:08] uh yeah, there's there's no

[35:11] opinion other than theirs, but I'm clear

[35:15] as to the conversation that I've been

[35:17] having with the audience.

[35:20] And I've kept having that same

[35:22] conversation just with different subject

[35:24] matter.

[35:25] >> Interesting.

[35:25] >> Yeah.

[35:27] >> When you go to different parts of the

[35:28] country, do you

[35:30] take into account that region of the

[35:32] country or the region of the world when

[35:34] you're touring

[35:36] on how you approach certain jokes or you

[35:38] approach your energy or way of being on

[35:41] stage?

[35:42] Or do you just say, "I'm going to be as

[35:44] consistent as who I am, how I want to

[35:46] sit do the do the material day in and

[35:49] day out, no matter what city, what

[35:51] country, what state?"

[35:54] Do you do you think about that or is

[35:55] that um not part of the process?

[35:58] >> For the majority of my stand-up career,

[36:01] um the first 15 minutes of my act was

[36:06] devoted to the place

[36:10] I was.

[36:11] >> The city.

[36:11] >> Right.

[36:12] >> Calling out certain the sports team or

[36:14] who's from there or

[36:15] >> I have a 45-minute set that I'm going to

[36:18] do, but the first 15 minutes

[36:22] is just going to be about

[36:24] this wonderful little spot you got here.

[36:26] >> Yeah, yeah.

[36:27] >> And um

[36:28] >> Come on, let's say it's Ohio or Atlanta,

[36:29] Georgia, South Florida, wherever we are,

[36:31] let's say talk about the people from

[36:33] here.

[36:34] >> Right, because there's something

[36:38] on the news that everybody's already

[36:40] discussing.

[36:42] And um

[36:44] I personally,

[36:45] if I've been there for 2 days, I've

[36:48] personally eaten here upwards of six

[36:51] times.

[36:52] >> Right.

[36:53] >> Right? And I went different places. I

[36:56] saw different things and and I'm able to

[36:58] have a

[37:00] um

[37:01] a crowd work type of conversation

[37:04] without the crowd.

[37:06] >> Yeah.

[37:07] >> So, yeah, that's the greatest thing

[37:09] about travel.

[37:11] Let's just see

[37:12] what the differences are. And you know,

[37:14] noticing the commonalities and you know,

[37:17] that's what makes travel already great.

[37:19] So, yeah, it's one of the best parts of

[37:21] the job.

[37:22] >> When you're doing a special though, it's

[37:24] it's I guess for a much broader

[37:25] audience. It's not for a city, you know,

[37:28] where you can connect with the locals

[37:30] and give some inside jokes about, you

[37:32] know, the restaurants and the the people

[37:34] from there or if they have a certain

[37:37] you know, accent or whatever it might

[37:39] be.

[37:39] Um

[37:40] how do you approach it knowing this is

[37:42] going to the world, but I'm also

[37:44] speaking to

[37:45] this city community

[37:48] so that it lands both locally and

[37:50] globally on the special.

[37:52] >> Right. Well, I've never even

[37:55] looked at it that way because I'm I'm

[37:58] looking

[37:59] I'm looking at at it from another

[38:01] direction. So, I am trying to I'm trying

[38:05] to write something that

[38:07] 9 months from now

[38:10] the stories that I have chosen to tell

[38:13] still have legs 9 months later.

[38:15] >> relevant, yeah.

[38:17] >> They uh

[38:18] >> Evergreen, yeah.

[38:19] >> That this isn't a joke that they only

[38:23] get up north. This isn't just a Bible

[38:26] Belt joke. This isn't just an East Coast

[38:30] because

[38:31] I've taken this same material

[38:35] around. I know this works for everyone.

[38:39] Everyone gets this. You see? So, that's

[38:43] the confidence when I'm doing the

[38:45] special is

[38:47] I already know it works.

[38:48] >> Yeah.

[38:50] >> I just have to deliver it correctly.

[38:52] >> Mhm.

[38:52] >> You know?

[38:53] >> Yeah.

[38:54] >> Yeah. So,

[38:56] the audience for me is never not global.

[38:59] >> Yeah. That's cool. Do you believe

[39:01] there's

[39:02] ever a spiritual attack against you

[39:05] because you're

[39:06] speaking the truth in certain ways? Or

[39:08] do you feel like also people who speak

[39:10] the truth have more spiritual attacks

[39:12] against them?

[39:14] >> It's well documented what happens to

[39:17] whistleblowers worldwide.

[39:21] We all know what they can and

[39:26] are capable of doing.

[39:29] We have far too many

[39:30] scientists

[39:32] dead or missing

[39:34] right now for us to not understand.

[39:38] There are people who don't appreciate

[39:40] it.

[39:41] >> Mhm.

[39:41] >> And you would just be doing yourself a

[39:44] disservice if you didn't understand that

[39:47] going in.

[39:48] >> How do you and how do we defend

[39:50] ourselves against spiritual warfare in

[39:53] our own lives when we are

[39:56] pursuing our passion and our dream where

[39:58] we feel like we're pursuing a calling

[39:59] from God

[40:01] um and we feel like we're under

[40:03] spiritual attack. How should we

[40:06] arm ourselves spiritually?

[40:09] And how have you done this as well? And

[40:12] I don't know if people ask you these

[40:13] questions Cat.

[40:14] >> Never in life. Never

[40:15] >> I don't know if they do or if they

[40:16] don't.

[40:16] >> Only at the School of Greatness.

[40:18] >> [laughter]

[40:19] >> Um

[40:19] >> This is the stuff I feel I'm actually

[40:20] fascinated by with you, you know. It's

[40:22] like obviously you're comedic legend

[40:25] and you've done so many great things and

[40:28] yes

[40:29] but for me I want to understand behind

[40:32] your heart and your mind about how you

[40:34] approach

[40:35] these greater things that I think are

[40:37] happening for you. Maybe not to you but

[40:40] happening for you.

[40:41] And I think there's a lot of wisdom that

[40:43] you've experienced that you could share

[40:45] with us. So that's why I'm really

[40:46] curious.

[40:47] >> At any moment

[40:49] of

[40:50] your life if you are in any spiritual

[40:53] warfare type of situation

[40:57] you are immediately impressed with how

[41:01] weak and inefficient our opposition is.

[41:05] Hmm.

[41:07] I'm only saying it's easy because

[41:10] you're able to track

[41:12] the progress. Hmm.

[41:14] If there isn't somebody trying to stop

[41:17] you from what you're doing then I don't

[41:20] know how you know it's the right thing.

[41:22] But from this side of it

[41:25] yeah you're

[41:27] like you're almost overjoyed to be

[41:30] attacked in spiritual warfare because

[41:33] first of all it means you're worthy.

[41:36] Wait a minute. I'm on the radar?

[41:38] Ho ho

[41:40] That's as much as I wanted. Hmm. That's

[41:43] Yeah. Because that was my whole thing in

[41:45] reading the Bible even young was like

[41:48] God always at

[41:50] these points

[41:52] came down to people and was like okay

[41:54] let me find somebody

[41:57] who loves me.

[41:58] >> You. Yeah.

[41:59] >> Right. And the guy was never qualified.

[42:01] He was never

[42:02] >> Too small.

[42:03] >> that guy in any of the situations. God

[42:06] was just like no. You.

[42:08] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[42:09] >> And the worse you are the more it proves

[42:12] you know? And so,

[42:14] that's why I decided to write a book

[42:17] because

[42:18] if I if I give you my entire life and

[42:22] you see how it went up to this point,

[42:25] even you will agree, wow, I didn't do

[42:29] this. I didn't have, you know? It wasn't

[42:32] me.

[42:33] It wasn't me. I'll I'll show you what I

[42:36] believed and I will show you that I kept

[42:39] believing that

[42:41] and it kept working. Wow, you know? So,

[42:44] >> When you feel the most under attack then

[42:46] in your life,

[42:47] what is your conversation with God like?

[42:49] And how frequently are you speaking with

[42:52] God?

[42:52] >> I don't know how to say it without it

[42:54] sounding embarrassing, but

[42:57] um

[42:57] I only

[43:00] talk to God when I need him for

[43:04] a circumstance or a situation.

[43:08] And I need him every day

[43:12] in

[43:13] all circumstances and situations. And

[43:18] um he's done so much at this point that

[43:22] really I I'm just

[43:24] um making a verbal record

[43:27] between he and I.

[43:29] Oftentimes I've asked for something

[43:33] that

[43:34] I didn't need

[43:36] and would have misused

[43:39] and I didn't get it.

[43:42] I got something else in life, you know?

[43:44] And um

[43:47] your faith is something that you can

[43:50] work on yourself.

[43:51] >> Yeah.

[43:52] >> And um

[43:54] if you're in a situation and you feel

[43:56] like

[43:57] it's not happening,

[44:00] that's your answer. And so, don't stop

[44:04] there. Ask better questions.

[44:07] Because a lot of times you're waiting on

[44:10] answer that already came and you've

[44:13] already acknowledged that you're going

[44:15] you're going

[44:16] Why won't you help me do this?

[44:20] And the answer is you're not supposed to

[44:23] be doing that.

[44:25] Do something else.

[44:28] At least try something else so that you

[44:30] can accidentally find what it is.

[44:33] But if you're expecting help in this

[44:36] situation, you know what I mean?

[44:39] If what you're praying for is a bad

[44:41] marriage, divorce is the answer.

[44:45] >> [laughter]

[44:47] >> You're you're thinking that

[44:50] this hasn't come or you're not being

[44:52] acknowledged.

[44:54] And you have been.

[44:57] >> Yeah. You were a missionary for I think

[44:59] a year, year and a half in Haiti, I

[45:01] believe, right? It was this soon you

[45:02] were or 20s, early 20s or how old were

[45:04] you in this

[45:06] early teens, 20s? Was this

[45:08] >> 15, 18.

[45:10] >> So in your late teens, you're in Haiti,

[45:13] you're helping from my research you're

[45:16] helping mothers

[45:18] save their [clears throat] kids from,

[45:20] you know, going through health

[45:22] challenges

[45:23] and you're in service for a year and a

[45:25] half, roughly.

[45:27] What did being in service to moms and

[45:30] their

[45:31] sick kids teach you about yourself or

[45:34] teach you about life?

[45:36] >> Well, I was still

[45:38] a spoiled American child.

[45:41] So I had never seen abject poverty.

[45:45] Because I was from America, right?

[45:47] So I I had never seen a whole village

[45:52] of people wake up hungry and there not

[45:56] be

[45:57] resources nearby to change that.

[46:01] So that part was

[46:03] eye-opening

[46:05] for me to see how

[46:09] little people could possess financially.

[46:13] >> Mhm.

[46:14] >> And to see that

[46:17] that had no bearing on their happiness.

[46:21] >> Some of these people were happy, too?

[46:24] >> Most of them

[46:25] >> Really?

[46:26] >> were happy.

[46:27] >> Wow.

[46:27] >> And um

[46:30] because they made it their business to

[46:33] be happy.

[46:34] And uh

[46:37] they were joyous.

[46:40] And they didn't have the same

[46:42] background as an African-American

[46:45] person would have.

[46:48] In place of that, they had pride.

[46:51] >> Mhm.

[46:52] >> Because they had been colonized and

[46:55] fought for their own independence.

[46:59] So, yes, starving,

[47:02] but a warrior starving.

[47:04] >> Mhm.

[47:05] >> Someone free starving. So, I would have

[47:08] done whatever I could to help. I was

[47:12] just thankful that I came from a place

[47:15] like America

[47:16] >> [clears throat]

[47:17] >> where we understood that, you know,

[47:20] there are things you can do.

[47:22] >> Yeah.

[47:23] >> And um

[47:24] yeah, it was a it was

[47:27] an entirely it was it was culture shock

[47:31] uh completely, but I just

[47:33] learned so much from their resilience

[47:36] and um

[47:37] seeing people that were born in just

[47:40] terrible, terrible situations,

[47:43] but

[47:44] they didn't care about that. They didn't

[47:46] care about can it be better?

[47:48] >> Mhm.

[47:49] >> And

[47:50] it might look bad to you, but this is

[47:52] the best it's ever been, you know? And

[47:55] um

[47:56] there's something really uh hopeful

[47:59] about that. And the situation with the

[48:04] helping was was just that they were

[48:07] dealing with

[48:08] um diarrhea The babies were dealing with

[48:11] diarrhea from dehydration, right? And

[48:15] this information about, you know,

[48:17] putting some salt

[48:19] in the good water.

[48:20] >> Mhm.

[48:21] >> Um

[48:22] they didn't have that information, and I

[48:25] did. And so

[48:26] >> Knowledge was power. Here was a

[48:28] >> joy to be able to, you know

[48:31] >> You took information from here, and you

[48:32] took it there.

[48:34] >> Right. But being able to see in real

[48:36] time because

[48:38] all this mother knows is that her baby

[48:40] is sick, and

[48:42] she hasn't done anything wrong. She's

[48:45] feeding as best as she can. She's making

[48:49] sure they're clean and doing everything,

[48:52] and this

[48:52] >> Yeah.

[48:53] >> child just won't get any better, you

[48:55] know? And um

[48:57] So, yeah, the the benefits were so

[48:59] instantaneous.

[49:01] Um

[49:03] that I understood why people do

[49:06] missionary work, you know? Just because

[49:10] if you look at it from afar, you just

[49:11] like, "Oh,

[49:13] why would you want to be around

[49:16] this circumstance?" But once you

[49:19] experience the blessing of being able to

[49:22] help somebody in any type of way

[49:24] >> Yeah.

[49:25] >> Um it just does something for you.

[49:28] >> Right.

[49:29] >> Yeah. I was glad to have seen that

[49:30] lesson early on.

[49:32] >> beautiful. Yeah.

[49:33] >> Yeah.

[49:34] >> You got so many powerful stories in your

[49:36] book. I want people to get a copy right

[49:37] now. Get a copy for your friends as

[49:39] well. Nine Lives No Lives and 16

[49:41] Concubines. Um powerful lessons,

[49:44] powerful truth, powerful wisdom

[49:46] by the man, Katt Williams. I want people

[49:48] to check it out. Um

[49:49] couple final questions for you, Katt,

[49:51] and I want to be respectful of time.

[49:53] What is the What's the one thing you

[49:55] wish people really knew about you that

[49:57] you don't think people understand about

[49:58] you?

[49:59] >> Nothing.

[50:00] >> Okay.

[50:01] >> [laughter]

[50:03] >> Okay.

[50:04] >> Yeah. Um at this point, the gig's up. Um

[50:07] >> There you go. Yeah.

[50:07] >> This This was

[50:09] >> It's all out there.

[50:10] >> This was my only story.

[50:11] >> Uh-huh.

[50:12] >> And my my job was just to preserve it

[50:15] long enough in the hopes that maybe one

[50:19] day it'll be helpful

[50:20] >> Yeah.

[50:21] >> to somebody else.

[50:22] >> Yeah.

[50:22] >> And if you read this book, you'll know

[50:26] it can happen to anybody.

[50:28] >> Mhm.

[50:29] >> Like no matter what.

[50:30] >> Wow.

[50:31] >> And that there are some things

[50:35] that you can do

[50:37] to help yourself.

[50:40] And that should be your focus in life is

[50:43] just trying to

[50:45] make yourself a better person.

[50:47] >> 100%.

[50:48] >> Yeah.

[50:48] >> Um this question is what I I ask

[50:51] everyone towards the end of the

[50:52] episodes. It's called the three truths.

[50:54] >> Okay.

[50:54] >> So, imagine a hypothetical scenario. You

[50:56] get to live as long as you want in this

[50:58] Earth,

[50:58] >> Mhm.

[50:59] >> but it's your last day.

[51:00] And you get to create, you know, this

[51:03] book is just one chapter in the many

[51:05] books that you write and the stories you

[51:07] tell for the rest of your life, but

[51:09] for whatever reason on this last

[51:10] hypothetical day,

[51:12] you have to take all of your work with

[51:13] you. The book is gone from this world,

[51:15] this conversation gone, every comedy

[51:17] special you ever do gone. Hypothetical.

[51:20] But on the last day, you get to leave

[51:21] behind three lessons to the world from

[51:23] everything you've been

[51:25] consuming and and shared. I call it

[51:27] three truths. What would those truths be

[51:29] for you that you would leave behind?

[51:31] >> Uh you can never

[51:34] read enough,

[51:35] learn enough,

[51:38] or ask enough questions. Number two,

[51:42] you were

[51:45] perfectly made

[51:46] >> Mhm.

[51:47] by a

[51:50] perfect God who also created a perfect

[51:54] universe

[51:56] for you to exist in.

[51:59] Do with that

[52:01] as you will.

[52:03] And lastly,

[52:05] start out small with yourself

[52:08] and only make improvements

[52:12] to your meals and beverages,

[52:15] to your recreation time, and to your

[52:18] sleep.

[52:20] And

[52:23] if you hone in on those things

[52:26] personally for yourself,

[52:30] you will always be in a better position.

[52:36] >> Katt Williams everywhere on social

[52:37] media. They can get the book right now.

[52:39] You've got an amazing Netflix

[52:42] special out as well. And I think a new

[52:44] podcast coming out on Netflix.

[52:46] >> Indeed, according to Katt.

[52:48] >> According to Katt.

[52:49] >> Mhm.

[52:50] >> The final question is what's your

[52:52] definition of greatness?

[52:53] >> Whatever your

[52:55] last minute of whatever your profession

[52:59] is,

[53:01] how was that?

[53:02] How was your last effort?

[53:05] For all of us athletes, performers, or

[53:08] what have you,

[53:09] the longer you play, the longer you

[53:11] realize

[53:13] nothing's guaranteed.

[53:15] Uh nothing's going to stay the same.

[53:17] Everything's going to change. And um

[53:20] even though every moment won't be your

[53:22] last moment, every moment is guaranteed

[53:25] to be closer

[53:27] to the last uh

[53:29] moment. And so

[53:31] um it cannot be understated

[53:34] how important it is for you to put your

[53:36] best foot forward on everything that you

[53:40] are trying to do. And anything that

[53:45] peaks your interest and curiosity is

[53:48] something worth checking out. And

[53:51] anything that's on your list of things

[53:54] to do,

[53:56] um all of those deserve a higher

[53:59] priority.

[54:00] >> Mhm.

[54:01] >> Um

[54:02] now is the time.

[54:03] >> Yeah.

[54:04] >> Uh

[54:05] that's what I would say.

[54:06] >> Mhm.

[54:07] >> That's all.

[54:07] >> Okay. Thanks for being here, man.

[54:09] >> Thank you for having me.

[54:10] >> I appreciate it. Everything. Everything.

[54:12] I was just super, super insecure. And I

[54:13] think the only thing that gave me

[54:14] confidence [music]

[54:15] was stand-up.

[54:16] >> Wow.

[54:17] I knew I'd kill you on stage, you know?

[54:19] So, it's like you had to [music] go up.

[54:20] >> It was my superpower, yeah.

[54:22] >> Without the stage, it was like you had a

[54:23] lot more

[54:24] >> I felt very Yeah, you know, I had just

[54:26] like this

[54:28] you know, [music] traumatic childhood

[54:30] with, you know,

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Author and podcaster who inspires millions through 'The School of Greatness,' blending personal development wisdom with vulnerable storytelling to help others achieve their dreams.

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In his conversation with Lewis Howes, Katt Williams says the main problem is asking vaguely. He argues that a specific request, with clear criteria for what a good answer looks like, lets you recognize when help arrives and avoid second-guessing whether an outcome was a response at all.
He says that when people turn him down, they are signaling that his attempt was not yet good enough, which is information he can use. He treats each no as a report on the effort rather than a judgment of his worth.
He says he left because he did not feel safe in his environment and believed he had the right to change his circumstances. He is clear that it was a terrible decision he would not recommend to anyone else, and he frames the experience as an early start rather than something to glamorize.
He met Prince in Dayton at 12, when Prince was already a millionaire and slightly shorter than him. He says the encounter made him stop assuming his size had to change for him to succeed, and it showed him a version of success that did not depend on what he feared lacking.
Katt Williams describes a balance rather than a choice. He says he always knew he had to do his own part, while counting on something larger to carry him through the parts he could not control.
His memoir is titled Nine Lives, No Wives, and 69 Concubines. In the conversation he describes it as a story that, even for a reader who is not religious, can make the value of faith and belief easier to see.

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